Moore Maker large locking Sodbuster

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My Moore Maker 3103LB large locking sodbuster finally arrived on Friday. I had originally ordered it weeks ago, but the knife was put on backorder by Moore Maker. I did get a call from David Moore at one point, promising to send me the pick of the littler when the next shipment arrived. With a promise like that, I was compelled to wait and see what was to be had from Moore Maker. What did arrive was not a knife to jump for joy about, but neither was it a disappointment.

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The finish of the knife is pretty bad. There are gouge marks on the liners and spine of the blade. The spot where the lock bar meets the back spacer looks like it was ground by Sponge Bob Squarepants. Where the tang meets the lock bar looks pretty bad. The sharpening job was what I'd become accustomed to in the world of slipjoints; read that as awful, which I've since fixed with a DMT diamond bench stone and a Sharpmaker. The knife came packed with gripe and abrasive from the manufacturing process, but is now squeaky clean after a long session with a toothbrush, cotton swabs, dishwashing detergent and WD-40.

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Yet while the knife kind of looks like hell, you can't help but admire it. The design is simply wonderful. The handle offers a nice full grip that is refreshingly comfortable. There's lots of blade packed inside. And for such a large knife, the bolster-less design is quite light in weight. What you get is a good sized traditional lockback, with a fantastic weight to strength ratio. The walk and talk isn't quite what I'm used to in a knife of this size, but I guess it doesn't need to be. The spring is strong enough to hold the blade closed, and with the locking mechanism, the spring doesn't need to hold the blade open.

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The fit is actually not half bad. There's no horizontal play in the blade, and the vertical play is nearly imperceptible. When in both the open and closed positions, I can see no daylight between the liners and lock bar. The blade is nicely centered in the handle. There are no sharp corners on the knife. The pins are nice and smooth and flush with the pale yellow Delrin handle scales.

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The blade is advertised as being 1095 carbon steel, with an RC of approximately 56. That's a bit softer than I prefer, but you don't ever get an RC of 60 or 61 unless you go custom. The 3 1/2” blade has a dropped point, which is perfect for my needs, and with a slight recurve. I'd prefer not to have any recurve whatsoever, to make sharpening easier, but there isn't enough recurve to really put me off. The length of the cutting edge is 3 1/4”. My vision of the perfect woods walking blade has a blade thickness of .015” to .019” behind the cutting edge. This knife measures out at .025”, which is a pretty good start. After I convex the blade a bit, it should be pretty close to my ideal.

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From what I understand, this knife is made by Bear & Son for Moore Maker. I originally thought about just ordering a Bear & Son version at one-third the price, but hoped that the Moore Maker labeled version would possess a greater attention to detail. The evidence in my hands tells me that this is not so. The only advantage I see to ordering the Moore Maker branded version is maybe a nicer cardboard box, and the included leather sheath. I should talk about the sheath a bit, because it is a nice sheath. It's not custom quality or anything, but it is a very functional design. It rides well on the belt, without digging into my gut. Friction holds the knife in place very securely, while allowing the knife to be drawn easily enough. I love the sheath.

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In the end, I have gotten what I needed. I was looking to replace my current woods walking folder with something of the locking variety. I wanted an American-made traditional knife with a blade that was easy to touch up in the field. The handle needed to be tough, and of a color that was easy to spot if dropped on the ground. I didn't need another small knife. I needed something large enough to compliment a Victorinox Farmer, but without weighing me down too much. I needed an efficient cutting knife, not a tactical pocket prybar. The locking sodbuster easily meets all of these demands.
Would I recommend this knife to others? Yes, but only conditionally. I'd definitely purchase the Bear & Son version if you can hand pick the knife. The Moore Maker version may be worth it to you if you really want the leather sheath, and don't mind exchanging the knife if it doesn't live up to your expectations. This assumes that you need a highly functional knife. If you're a collector, look elsewhere. Unless Bear & Son starts putting more effort into the aesthetics of their sodbusters, these aren't anything you'll want to display next to your Case and GEC's.

The Moore Maker large locking Sodbuster is definitely not my grail of woods walking folders. To be my grail, it would have to have a thinner edge thickness, higher RC, orange G-10 scales, a lanyard hole, and slightly heavier spring tension. Chances are that I'll never own that perfect vision of mine, but the journey will be a whole lot more comfortable with the Moore Maker at my hip.
 
Nice review! I know that MM makes this knife to be a user, but, I have to admit I'm a little suprised that this would be the "pick of the litter". A few of those picture look a little rough.
Paul
 
Moore Maker has two lines. Economy by Bear and Sons -- Premium by Queen.

As you're doing, I'd give it a go and see if it doesn't perform ok.
 
I liked it when Camillus was their working line. I was fortunate to see the tail end of that. There's no harm in taking it to the sander and finish it off to you liking. I've done that to more than a few myself. Thanks for the review.

You could also sendit back to Mooremaker and he would do right if you were not happy.
 
I liked it when Camillus was their working line. I was fortunate to see the tail end of that. There's no harm in taking it to the sander and finish it off to you liking. I've done that to more than a few myself. Thanks for the review.

You could also sendit back to Mooremaker and he would do right if you were not happy.

So did everyone. I understand they are using United now for the economy line and not Bear & Sons. Thats what I was told anyway.

STR
 
Great review and pics. Its a very nice looking knife, however its unfortunate that the attention to detail is really lacking.
I don't understand products that go out the door like that. Not only is it disappointing for the consumer, it can't be good for the companies reputation.

I have never dealt with MM for warranty issues, so I don't know, maybe they would be very good about making it right. But after waiting, and being told you were getting one hand picked, I wouldn't be in a big hurry to buy another one.

I hate to see workmanship like that from any company, but hopefully it is not the norm. Even if it was a 20 dollar knife, which its not, the workmanship would be very disappointing
 
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eye brand soddie
this ole timer sets above my sink, still cutting boxes & slicing meat & veges. must be 25 yrs. old. the steel is so good i took the edge pro to it.certainly the grail of soddies for me
dennis
 
So did everyone. I understand they are using United now for the economy line and not Bear & Sons. Thats what I was told anyway.

STR

United imports from Germany I think. I had a United Boker whittler and it was a nice f/f.

They probably wern't happy with the quality of Bear. I returned my original 5300 to him because the nail nick was too shallow on the master blade. I asked Dave to pick me out a gem and he did. It is my favorite, but I have to admit, i'm growing fond of the #9 Queen I just got recently. He told me once he like to talk to people directly on the phone. That says a lot about the man.

Someday I'll pick up a soddie.
 
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I have a small Moore Maker Soddie and while the F&F is a little "rough" it has become one of my favorite go-to knives. My blade contacted the back spring which always resulted in a flat spot. It also rubs a little on the liner. There are also some minor gaps here and there. The odd part is I just love using the h*ll out of this knife. I reprofiled the blade and it just slices like crazy. Whenever I need to break down cardboard or cut back branches in the yard I've been going for the MM Soddie.
 
So did everyone. I understand they are using United now for the economy line and not Bear & Sons. Thats what I was told anyway.

STR

It just dawned on me that they are using Utica now, not United.
With that said it looks like he has some Camillus knives still in stock and a nice bone soddie too.A bit pricey but it looks beautiful.


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Now that there's a nice soddie.
 
I have a bear and sons soddie.... :thumbdn:

Arrived with a BENT dull blade, horrible f&f, and a scale that wasn't even secured and was about to fall off.... sad cause the knife itsself has good snap, the perfect pull in my opinion, and a tough blade that could hold a good edge for days.
 
It just dawned on me that they are using Utica now, not United.

Hmmm. I could have swore the dealer told me United. Whatever the case the point was its not B & S anymore from what I gathered.

STR
 
Send that soddie to Seals and he'll give it a face light, a butt reduction and make it shave the tiny hairs that's on your legs a few hours after shaving them. Whoops forgot only girls save their legs. (Well mostly girls :D :D )
 
Hmmm. I could have swore the dealer told me United. Whatever the case the point was its not B & S anymore from what I gathered.

STR

I'm almost positive STR. They started using the U on their part numbers shortly after Utica came out.
 
I have an MM sodbuster - a large one w/delrin scales. I like it much

It is OK f&f-wise, but compared to that one buzzbait, it is a sebenza :D

They are not inexpensive at around $50 - should come up better than that

Shame, I was going to pick up another two for modding. I'll have to fully reconsider that
 
I'm pretty sure MM uses Utica for its economy Delrin stockmen these days. I think it uses Canal Street for its wood-scaled trappers as well. Bear and Sons does the rest of the economy line and everything else is from Queen. At least that is the way I recall things working for MM. Learning that Canal Street was involved was a shock, but I know that they are making knives for MM these days.
 
I have a customer wanting a customized locking small soddie.He's a strictly usa made guy so that cuts it down to Bear only as far as i know.I ordered one from a well known dealer and was finally informed that the knife was so crappy he couldnt even send it to me.He offered a large version for the same money and even refunded shipping which was nice.But when i got the knife it was quite a disappointment with a sloppy blade.I figure i can straighten it out when i take it apart and redo it,but Bear has pretty much lost the little respect i had for them.Hopefully they will get it together as id hate to see another u.s. maker bite the dust.I will say their Damascus steel is very nice and excellent quality.I did finally get a decent small one for my customer.There are a few foreign companies making lockback soddies that are quite nice and very cheap.
 
Nice review! I know that MM makes this knife to be a user, but, I have to admit I'm a little suprised that this would be the "pick of the litter". A few of those picture look a little rough.
Paul

Couldn't agree more. If that's considered the "pick of the litter", I'd hate to see what the other puppies look like. :eek: :eek:
 
I agree that's a pretty rough for "pick of the litter". At the price point of most soddies, I don't expect a perfect knife as many are actually made (even to this day) to be work knives. I have three, and all have something annoying wrong with them. But they work great, do their job well, and they were all quite affordable. I love them for their toughness and utility value, not because they are examples of fine craftsmanship.

But f/f is better on my CASE, Queen and Bulldog than on that MM. None of them have blade locks though and only two were made here in USA.

I was surprised after a quick search no American locking soddies came up.

You may be up against it, although I must say that in my personal experience with the sodbuster patterns, the quality from any manufacturer of that model will vary widely regardless of country of origin.

Robert
 
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