Morakniv 511 sheath modification

[LostCause]

So I often walk or run with my dog in wilderness (forest and other such places).

Since lots of people let their dogs out to walk on their own (just open the fence and let them out not caring where they go or what they do). And since there's pissibility of running into wild animal too, I always carry something with me.

I usually carry 50ml pepper spray can. I opted for strongest option available and it's jet version to get some range.

But I still want some kind of backup, so I got a fixed blade too. Because there are situations when pepper spray isn't ideal or I could just miss or something else could go wrong. And I guess we'll all agree that folder isn't really an option.

Size and visibility aren't issue in wilderness, but I still wanted something light.
And if I used it for such purpose, it's likely it'd be taken as evidence if I stabbed someone's animal with it, so I don't want it to be expensive either.

Mora 511 with that front finger guard ticked all the boxes. Inexpensive (7-8€), tough enough, good handle and very light.

But I kinda need some ideas on how to modify the sheath to carry it more easily? Or to make it fit pants/tracksuit pocket better?

 

[Alberta Ed]

I used to clip a Spyderco serrated folder to my jogging shorts when I ran with my dog, but found a four foot long cable steel 'leash' with a few nuts slipped over the end to be quite effective at deterring other dogs on a few occasions. In bear/cougar country, neither would be as effective as bear spray though.

 

[EngrSorenson]

Ignoring the intent and focusing on the carrying...

My recommendation is to get some leather and make your own sheath- you can configure it however you want, and even add your own pocket clip to it to clip it to the waist of your jogging shorts.
I'm very much an amateur, but making an effective sheath doesn't cost a lot, it's relatively easy to do with planning and forethought and you'll be glad you'll have that skill.
I've been known to make sheaths for my knives even when the original was perfectly adequate, just because there's something I didn't like about it.

 

[91bravo]

Knives are tools. Carry a gun for actual self defense.

 

[Chefget]

Smatchet

 

[Hashishiin]

L LostCause may I ask the brand of spray you carry and if it is designed for animals or humans? The animal/"bear" sprays are actually weaker due to EPA regulations so what you want for a dog is the gnarliest spray, Fox 5.3 spray is some of the strongest out there, really should check out the Fox. I intend to get some next time I buy, I have Sabre Red right now. Dogs are especially susceptible because, you know how the spray hurts our eyes, mouths, noses? The dog's whole nose is like the inside of our nose, all mucus membrane.

Should something even worse happen, yes, something like a 511 would be a cheap "get off me" knife. You also considering folders, or no? Anyways, yes, the sheath is pretty bleh. You could have a leather one made, I know some great people, Wicek leather in Poland, and uhhh, could have a Kydex sheath made, how much are those, like 20 bucks? There you go, tactical 511 for animal defense. Spray is probably going to be the best thing in such an attack though, still good to have.

I would carry a Cold Steel.

Knives are tools. Carry a gun for actual self defense.

Tools may also help defend you. Not all of us may carry a gun all the time. I am genuinely happy that you can, if you do. Where I live, I would be risking arrest and criminal charges for being discovered with a gun on my person in public.

 

[EngrSorenson]

There's lots of tools on Blade Forums.

 

[91bravo]

L LostCause may I ask the brand of spray you carry and if it is designed for animals or humans? The animal/"bear" sprays are actually weaker due to EPA regulations so what you want for a dog is the gnarliest spray, Fox 5.3 spray is some of the strongest out there, really should check out the Fox. I intend to get some next time I buy, I have Sabre Red right now. Dogs are especially susceptible because, you know how the spray hurts our eyes, mouths, noses? The dog's whole nose is like the inside of our nose, all mucus membrane.

Should something even worse happen, yes, something like a 511 would be a cheap "get off me" knife. You also considering folders, or no? Anyways, yes, the sheath is pretty bleh. You could have a leather one made, I know some great people, Wicek leather in Poland, and uhhh, could have a Kydex sheath made, how much are those, like 20 bucks? There you go, tactical 511 for animal defense. Spray is probably going to be the best thing in such an attack though, still good to have.

I would carry a Cold Steel.

Tools may also help defend you. Not all of us may carry a gun all the time. I am genuinely happy that you can, if you do. Where I live, I would be risking arrest and criminal charges for being discovered with a gun on my person in public.

Sorry, but I've never viewed any of my cutting tools as self defense weapons. I mean, what do you do if you encounter an active shooter? Pull out your knife? That would probably be a big mistake.

 

[LostCause]

Knives are tools. Carry a gun for actual self defense.

Not legal here.

L LostCause may I ask the brand of spray you carry and if it is designed for animals or humans? The animal/"bear" sprays are actually weaker due to EPA regulations so what you want for a dog is the gnarliest spray, Fox 5.3 spray is some of the strongest out there, really should check out the Fox. I intend to get some next time I buy, I have Sabre Red right now. Dogs are especially susceptible because, you know how the spray hurts our eyes, mouths, noses? The dog's whole nose is like the inside of our nose, all mucus membrane.

Should something even worse happen, yes, something like a 511 would be a cheap "get off me" knife. You also considering folders, or no? Anyways, yes, the sheath is pretty bleh. You could have a leather one made, I know some great people, Wicek leather in Poland, and uhhh, could have a Kydex sheath made, how much are those, like 20 bucks? There you go, tactical 511 for animal defense. Spray is probably going to be the best thing in such an attack though, still good to have.

I would carry a Cold Steel.

Tools may also help defend you. Not all of us may carry a gun all the time. I am genuinely happy that you can, if you do. Where I live, I would be risking a felony to carry a gun.

The spray is intended for people, I carry it in city too. Some german brand, it says PFEFFER KO JET. And KO is in big letters.

I used it on dogs at 2 ocassions in the past and it really works.
I also used that same spray when I worked as security - it's pretty darn effective on humans too.

 

[LostCause]

I would carry a Cold Steel

They were the first ones I thought about, but even cheapest Cold steel would cost me about as much as 3 Mora 511 knives. And I'd also have get another sheath because Securex is known to dull knives (did that even to my AK-47 in 3V)

However, I can get a piece of leather very cheap and I do have sewing kit at home, so I could just make my own sheath, drench the insides in mineral oil (blade is already oiled) and call it a day.

 

[Hashishiin]

Sorry, but I've never viewed any of my cutting tools as self defense weapons. I mean, what do you do if you encounter an active shooter? Pull out your knife? That would probably be a big mistake.

Huh, I view them as versatile tools, that can be used to make my food, open my things, make life easy, carve wood, give aesthetic pleasure, save a life, and even defend my life. They have historically been used in all of these ways, too.

What would I do if I turned the corner at my local mall to face an active shooter (this being defined as a mass-murder scenario, right? Not coming across a gangbanger firing at a car and yelling gang slurs?), and had no hope to get out of the way, run or hide? You can bet I'd wave out whatever Janich or Reverse-S knife I have in my pocket and run at him, kick, slash, bash. He's killing everyone. What am I gonna do, not TRY? 100% a gun is preferable to a knife for self-defense, but I cannot legally carry one here, if your choices were - go with nothing, or go with boots, some spray, and a quality knife... what would you do?

When people say this, it reminds me of when people ask martial arts experts, "Well, what do you do if you don't notice them, they grab you from behind and start stabbing you in the chest and neck?" or "What do ya do if three guys with AK's intent on killing you corner you in an alley?". The answer is... well, guess I'll die, and they state this clearly. There are some situations where nothing you carry can save you.

I am aware I cannot defend against everything. A concealed carrier follows and takes aim at a mass shooter, just to be dropped by shooter's wife who he did not notice. There is no surefire way, man.

I just don't know what your point is. "A gun is a better self-defense tool than a knife?" You're sure right. "Don't carry a knife or spray?" "Carry a gun anyways?" ? No offense meant here my man.

Not legal here.

The spray is intended for people, I carry it in city too. Some german brand, it says PFEFFER KO JET. And KO is in big letters.

I used it on dogs at 2 ocassions in the past and it really works.
I also used that same spray when I worked as security - it's pretty darn effective on humans too.

Awesome, I have luckily never had to use my spray. I am glad yours works - there are plenty of kind of random, no-name sprays that have a poor spray/mist or poor contents. You def want something verified. And I'd also be reluctant to use the same can more than once, I'd keep it just to have it in case, but I'd carry a new one if I had to use mine. Mine came w/ a water practice unit, and it was shocking how fast it ran out.

They were the first ones I thought about, but even cheapest Cold steel would cost me about as much as 3 Mora 511 knives. And I'd also have get another sheath because Securex is known to dull knives (did that even to my AK-47 in 3V)

However, I can get a piece of leather very cheap and I do have sewing kit at home, so I could just make my own sheath, drench the insides in mineral oil (blade is already oiled) and call it a day.

Ah, because of where I live, I pretty much can't carry fixed blades so my mind always goes naturally to folders, even when it doesn't have to. Never actually had a CS fixed blade, I usually carry an Espada XL or Black Talon, ready to wave, if I'm right in the coyote area. Also, random thought, the Companion may have a bit better suited due to the profile, but probably not by much.

Dude, for this purpose, seems like you could totally do up your own sheath. Do it, hone your skill. Also, is this knife supposed to be ONLY for the purpose of dog attack and such, not worried about cutting, edge retention, any of that? It just has to stay in one piece, be sharp and ready for action?

 

[91bravo]

I’m sorry for all of you folks who live in a commie state

 

[Hashishiin]

I’m sorry for all of you folks who live in a commie state

I am, too. My family is currently gathering our resources to get out. My girlfriend's family, most of them, just moved on to Texas. I hope to legally carry in public for the first time, when I visit them over there. Just the thought of that is, "Boy, this is how it should be", to me, growing up where I have. "I can have this on my side, and it is 110% legal, wow!".

That's the thing man, all these points and things you're saying... I agree. I'd love to carry, I'd love to have a nice little Glock or .45 on my hip every day, a .32 gun in my pocket just for fun, and a razor blade in my shoe. It's my horrible state. I was born here, I am a young man, I had to develop a taste for these things on my own, and I want to get out somewhere free! You know about the gang issues we have in L.A, I love my Matriarch 2, but I don't CHOOSE to carry that over a proper weapon, my man.

 

[EngrSorenson]

My girlfriend's family,

You're 112 years old and you have a girlfriend?

Wow... I guess some people just "got it".

 

[91bravo]

I am, too. My family is currently gathering our resources to get out. My girlfriend's family, most of them, just moved on to Texas. I hope to legally carry in public for the first time, when I visit them over there. Just the thought of that is, "Boy, this is how it should be", to me, growing up where I have. "I can have this on my side, and it is 110% legal, wow!".

That's the thing man, all these points and things you're saying... I agree. I'd love to carry, I'd love to have a nice little Glock or .45 on my hip every day, a .32 gun in my pocket just for fun, and a razor blade in my shoe. It's my horrible state. I was born here, I am a young man, I had to develop a taste for these things on my own, and I want to get out somewhere free! You know about the gang issues we have in L.A, I love my Matriarch 2, but I don't CHOOSE to carry that over a proper weapon, my man.

EVERY law abiding American should have a right to carry for self defense. That’s just my opinion though. Most of these shootings happen in blue cities. An armed society is a polite society.

 

[LostCause]

. And I'd also be reluctant to use the same can more than once, I'd keep it just to have it in case, but I'd carry a new one if I had to use mine

You can't do that even if you want to.

4-5 seconds and you're empty. They are single use items.

I am glad yours works - there are plenty of kind of random, no-name sprays that have a poor spray/mist or poor contents.

Yeah, I got this spray for the first time when it was given to me at work back then. So I knew it had to be at least somewhat effective.

Ah, because of where I live, I pretty much can't carry fixed blades so my mind always goes naturally to folders, even when it doesn't have to. Never actually had a CS fixed blade, I usually carry an Espada XL or Black Talon, ready to wave, if I'm right in the coyote area. Also, random thought, the Companion may have a bit better suited due to the profile, but probably not by much.

My friend has Rajah3 knife with that wave opening, and my Mora is still way faster just due to it being a fixed blade.

Dude, for this purpose, seems like you could totally do up your own sheath. Do it, hone your skill. Also, is this knife supposed to be ONLY for the purpose of dog attack and such, not worried about cutting, edge retention, any of that? It just has to stay in one piece, be sharp and ready for action?

That's what I'll do. I'll use factory sheath until I finish mine.

And I'll use it for other cutting too if need arises, so far it never did during the walk. And if I'm camping or something else, then I'll have other knives.

So it's only purpose is to be sharp, in one piece and ready to stab/cut.

 

[Hashishiin]

You're 112 years old and you have a girlfriend?

Wow... I guess some people just "got it".

My rap career really helped me take off with the ladies, it's never too late...

112 is the best time in my life, I just go to the club, lay a smooth line on a girl who's getting hit on...

"Say, chick-a-dee, why not come back to the nursing home, we've got way better drugs, my dude Bernie, he done been in the Korean war and if he runs out of his Percodan he just gets more, Mrs. Edna doesn't care for the blacks a lot, but she's got glaucoma so she gets good pot, Gladys here only has diabetes so the best you're gonna get is Tylenol 3s, but my main man Carl, he's got like AIDS in his brain, and I swear to god the dude can even get cocaine! So we rip a couple lines, put on some records, talk about grandkids and birch about the weather"

 

[Hashishiin]

You can't do that even if you want to.

4-5 seconds and you're empty. They are single use items.

Agreed, I misinterpreted what you said as using the same can for all those encounters you described.

Yeah, I got this spray for the first time when it was given to me at work back then. So I knew it had to be at least somewhat effective.

My friend has Rajah3 knife with that wave opening, and my Mora is still way faster just due to it being a fixed blade.

That's what I'll do. I'll use factory sheath until I finish mine.

And I'll use it for other cutting too if need arises, so far it never did during the walk. And if I'm camping or something else, then I'll have other knives.

So it's only purpose is to be sharp, in one piece and ready to stab/cut.

They are embarrassing to own, but sturdier M-Tech type fixed blades may work for a purpose of a knife that is for nothing but being large and pointy, but yeah, your Mora should be fine.

 

[LostCause]

Agreed, I misinterpreted what you said as using the same can for all those encounters you described.

They are embarrassing to own, but sturdier M-Tech type fixed blades may work for a purpose of a knife that is for nothing but being large and pointy, but yeah, your Mora should be fine.

Just large and pointy won't do it, I want it affordable, yet of good quality and not that big that it'd have effect on my running and so on...

Plus, if I ever use it for self defense, in case authorities get involved - a good old Mora will look much better than some kind of rambo or zombie knife

I run in forest, so yeah, there's bushcraft, mushroom picking... and many other activities to do with what's known as bushcraft knife

 

[shane45-1911]

Plus, if I ever use it for self defense, in case authorities get involved - a good old Mora will look much better than some kind of rambo or zombie knife

40 years in law enforcement, and I have yet to see or hear of a case where an otherwise legally justified self-defense scenario made an innocent man guilty, because he was carrying an Assassinator Head Lopper 5000.

Just sayin'....