Since the last thread was locked, I'm starting this new one. Comments and thoughts from others welcome. BFC is about knives. This forum is not about knives. W&C is not about knives. Gadgets & Gear, Community, and Politics are, for the most part, not about knives. We've seen lots of people sign up here, post a question or two in search of a good knife. Once they find one, they never return to BFC, because they got what they needed out of it. You see other people who have been here so long they don't ask questions about knives any more? What are they doing here at BFC at all? How many times have we heard someone say they "came for the knives and stayed for the people"? This forum and W&C is not about knives. They're both about people. BFC doesn't need these forums. The people want them. Do these forums detract from BFC's mission? I don't see how they interfere with anything outside of themselves. This forum, with cusswords and pornography, is not what BFC is about, it's not necessary to BFC, and no one would cry or lose a knife if it disappeared - but the people want it. They (we) want a place for everything that doesn't fit anywhere else on BFC. It's not necessary, but I don't see how it gets in the way. We don't need this forum, but what we want is an unmoderated forum. W&C was supposed to be an unmoderated forum, but lack of password and legal issues made that an impossibility, so the idea here is to try again for an unmoderated forum. We don't need the porn, we don't need anything. We want to do whatever we want to do. And it shouldn't hurt or interfere with anything else anyway. We should keep W&C as well because not everyone can get in here, and many arguments are resolved in W&C that wouldn't fit as well in any other forum. Mike "dumbass" Turber wanted to know if this forum is appropriate for BFC - if BFC is a member-driven site, and members want this forum, then this forum will only be what the members make of it, and who's to say that's not what they want? BFC is a public forum, open to the general public, for the purpose of educating people about knives. It does that job exceptionally well. This forum is private, it is for paying BFC members only, and is not about knives, it is for, and about, whatever the members of this private forum want it to be about. I know there are people who don't like this forum, but there's no reason they can't just stay out. I never, or almost never, go into the slipjoint forum, the kukri forum, the JSP forum, Gurka House, TiKnives, Schrade, and others. If they mysteriously vanished overnight I wouldn't even notice. You don't hear me rallying to get rid of them. They don't bug me. If someone else doesn't want anything to do with this forum, it's reall easy to just not click on it. It is possible to log out of BFC, and there's no excuse for not watching what your own children do. I can understand why certain people would not like this forum, but I can't understand how leaving it here will affect them, as they can just stay out. In fact, by allowing this forum to remain as a place for that which is inappropriate for the rest of BFC, this forum will serve the purpose of keeping all that naughty, offensive stuff (like the human body) out of the rest of the forums. Good for everybody.