Muay Thai Kickboxing: Advantages and Disadvantages

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I am taking Muay Thai from Travis Doerge, one of Maurice Smith's old students, and was wondering if anyone has any opinions as to what the weaknesses in this style are and what I could do to fill them out. For any one who doesn't know what muay thai is, it is a form of kickboxing where kneeing and elbowing are allowed.
 
Back in the early 1980s I fought in the Savate (French boxing or kickboxing) circut in Europe. I came across a few Thai Kickboxers from Thailand and I gained a very health repsect for them. You will benefit greatly from studying Muay Thai.

Muay Thai advantages come from learning to use your body's weapons with simple direct attacks that are effective i.e. the elbows, knees, shins hands etc...etc. It is a style that lends itself to be learned more quickly and easily than other complicated Asian arts.
At the same time I think that it is one the most effective Asian arts in existence.

Another benefit of learning Muay Thai, is that you will learn endurance which is so important to real fighting.

Muay Thai is a style of fighting and like every style it has its limitations. The one thing I would be careful of is holding your hands up high and out in front of your face as many Muay Thai fighters do. Such a stance leaves your mid torso exposed to kicks or body shots. This is not a good streetfighting stance as far as I am concerned. Now one American Thai boxing fighter told me that such a stance is for sport and that under real times he would hold his hands closer and into his body. If you are learning this stance for the ring and you want to use it, thats okay, thats a traditional way of holding your hands for the ring. But I do not think that it is good for the street.

I think that traditional Muay Thai punching is weaker and less powerful and effective when compared to the punches of Western boxing. It depends on the instructor that you have, as some have incorporated Western boxing punches into their kickboxing style. I would recommend supplementing your training with Western boxing. My experience with Savate has been the same. Some traditional Savate punches are weaker compared to Western or English boxing.

Sometimes the conditioning that actual Thai Muay Thai fighters go through is very extreme. They, in my opinion, become some of the fiercest comptetive fighters around. But all of that extreme training can be very hard on the body and I have seen few Europeans and Americans who are willing to go as far as Thai fighters in conditioning themselves.

 
The beauty of Muay Thai is in it's simplicity.

It's most apparent weakness is it's lack of weapons training. If you want weapons training you either have to look to another system entirely or you have to look to Muay Thai's parent system ... Krabi Krabong (sp?). There are a few good Krabi Krabong teachers in the U.S. ... including Ajarn Arlan Sanford, aka "Salty Dog" of the Dog Brothers.

As an added benefit, I'd say that Arlan knows a thing or two about fighting.
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Respectfully,

Dave Fulton



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[This message has been edited by Dave Fulton (edited 02-21-2001).]
 
Re: the MT stance...

Actually, although there are the limitations you mentioned from a DUELLING standpoint, as a self defense stance it can work very well with slight mods. The "hands out high, palm facing BG" is a common "pleading" position that with other body language will keep the surprise factor open, but allows interception of incoming high line shots.

Once you go to a boxing stance, the BG knows it's a fight.
 
Thanks for replying. Travis is teaching me the american boxing style for hands. My dad also does some ground work with me such as armbars, locks, and chokes along with the dirty tricks such as eye gouges,fish hooking, and small digit manipulation etc. Anything else would be helpful. I was interested in taking ju-jitsu but the nearest place is about 70 miles away in Tacoma. It's supposed to be a great school. I believe it is taught by one of the grayce(?) brothers.
 
The only downside to boxing, muay thai etc is that the arts are based on power and speed. Power and speed decline with age. M. Ali was one of the best boxers in history but after forty years of age 20yr old boxers of much less talent could beat him (Leon Spinks). Pencak Silat for example uses deception and body mechanics and to a degree can lessen some of the handicaps advancing age cause. I have a real arsenal of dirty tricks to make up for the strength and speed I have lost to age. If I had to use muay thai or boxing I would get my head handed to me by a younger, bigger stronger fighter simply because I am now middle aged. Other than that muay thai is definitely highly formidable.

 
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