My buck story and perspective on the 110 in the UK.

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Hi everyone I have enjoyed reading this forum. Just returned from Alaska from the UK and bought a buck 110 and a Gerber clip point folder with the extra sticky handle.

I am amazed at the quality of the buck knife and how it has subtly improved over the years. I had a 110 given to me when I was 9 years old in 1979 it was my most treasured possession, I was living on a boat at the time that was in dry-dock. (lots of things to cut) was in to stropping an keeping a shaving edge.

I lost it coming traveling though an airport returning to England after a year or so of being over seas.

I have always loved knives and have a few Pumas and enjoy knife throwing.

The Gerber and Buck where the same price, but the buck is an object of utter beauty. The Gerber was highly recommended by many hunters though and I could see why, it was a light weight tool that felt very good in the had. and weight is an issue if you are camping or hunting. And I am not sure I would like to get my Buck covered in blood and guts, not that I am a hunter.

How ever there are two not so good perspectives that are on my mind.

The sheer lethalness of the buck knife. holding the buck knife you feel with the weight of it you could ram it though a brick wall.

The blade feels is if it would go though ones chest like a knife though butter. And I will be honest with you it scares me just thinking about it.

It has defiantly been designed for defending yourself against attacking bears and no mistake, if you get my meaning, and that is part of its appeal, though many would never admit it. The point I am making is that to me if feels a very dangerous knife, that is not a criticism though.

I think I am getting old that what it must be. I have just refreshed my knowledge of the knife laws in the UK and all lock knives are considered offensive weapons.

I will only be able to carry my buck when out camping and fishing which is a shame, the media is going really anti knife at the moment as well in the uk

I have decided look for a Buck 'stockman' non locking knife under three inches that I can legally carry, very hard to find in the UK though. Would love to have a buck knife that I can really fall in love with and have on me all the time. The buck brand really means a lot to me.
 
Greebozz,
Welcome to the forum. I can understand your initial impressions of the Buck 110. It was however originally designed for the hunter who would need a good portable knife for field dressing a deer or some other game. There are other Buck knives that are based on the 110 but are much lighter. The 560 and the 426 are two that come to mind. The Buck Selector is another knife that was made, has a light weight handle and one can change blades easily. The 426 and Selector are discontinued but can be picked up on Ebay from time to time.

It's a pity about the knife laws in the UK. The locking mechanism is simply to prevent the blade from inadvertently closing while in use. I don't understand how it can be perceived as an offensive issue. A good Buck stockman can also be found on Ebay though and I guess is the only legal option.
Mike
 
greebozz said:
I have decided look for a Buck 'stockman' non locking knife under three inches that I can legally carry,

Welcome to the forums, even the largest Buck Stockman currently made the 301 (USA made) or the 371 (Chinese made) have blades well under 3 inches, so they would be legal in the UK.
 
Hi to you both, I take your point about other lighter bucks I agree that they are very good. I almost did not get the 110 as I felt that maybe I should go for a more modern look. I am so glad that I went for the 110 it is very much and icon and a classic. And I think it is such high quality for the money.

by the way thanks Last Confederate, for warning me about the 371 being made in China, that is a very big deal to me, USA all the way as far a I am concirned.
 
greebozz said:
by the way thanks Last Confederate, for warning me about the 371 being made in China, that is a very big deal to me, USA all the way as far a I am concirned.

Don't write them off completely, they are actually good knives, and like many products made in China, like personal computers for instance, work just fine. :D

Just curious, is it very difficult to get Buck knives in the UK?
 
I hear what you are saying and you make a good point. I don't want to offend any owners of knives made in China or Taiwan. If the option is there I will go for USA made. I was rather atracted to the new Buck bantam range, I new they were made in Taiwan but where a dam cool design and a great price it is only the legality that made me think again.

There are spinkling of buck knives available in the UK always a very inflated prices. They are priced in accordence with there quality which is high.

For example a buck 110 is available in one shop in Brighton for £59.99 that is about $105 dollers. If you hunt online if you are luck you can get the numerical American prices on a limited range but in pounds. ie 30 dollers equates to £30 pounds for the same knife.

If I could find a US company that would post to the UK that would be a dream come true.
 
And... I am in the UK and the law SUCKS!

All my EDC's of old are being "retired"...

Going to end up carrying a Leatherman or a Swiss Army knife...

A mate was arrested for carrying a 2" lock knife which cost £2.00 (roughly $4) and even that was confiscated. And dont start me off about my Tempest...

UK Laws = :jerkit:
 
The Last Confederate said:
Welcome to the forums, even the largest Buck Stockman currently made the 301 (USA made) or the 371 (Chinese made) have blades well under 3 inches, so they would be legal in the UK.

Ahh

Providing you have a reason for carrying it....and you must have a valid reason. These may *NOT* include...

Self Defence
May not be carried anywhere "public"
If you claim you use it for fishing.. then make sure you got a rod with you.
You cannot just walk around with any knife in your pocket anymore...

Cheers

John
 
Maverick4546 said:
Ahh

Providing you have a reason for carrying it....and you must have a valid reason. These may *NOT* include...

Self Defence
May not be carried anywhere "public"
If you claim you use it for fishing.. then make sure you got a rod with you.
You cannot just walk around with any knife in your pocket anymore...

Cheers

John

Thanks for the additional info', I knew the UK had gotten the under 3 inches thing, but didn't know of the other rules.

Getting as bad as my home state about guns!
 
Hi meverick, I looked at your thread, yes buying in the US is definatly the way to go.

I am a bit confused about the legality thing you posted, as far as I understand it you can carry a knife with you anywhere

just not a lock knife or sharp object of any size.

In Britain you are legaly intiltled to carry a penknife with a blade of under three inches. providing it is not a locker. At least that what is says in many thread on this forum!!

Cheers.
 
Maverick4546 said:
Ahh

Providing you have a reason for carrying it....and you must have a valid reason. These may *NOT* include...

Self Defence
May not be carried anywhere "public"
If you claim you use it for fishing.. then make sure you got a rod with you.
You cannot just walk around with any knife in your pocket anymore...

Cheers

John

Maverick, sorry to disagree with you there but as it stands they haven't changed the law that completely. The law still states that anything with a blade length of less than 3" and that doesn't lock is perfectly legal for EDC with no reason being required. The law in the UK unfortunately classes all locking blades of whatever length as being equivelant to a fixed blade. The sub 3" "slipjoints" are still looked on as being "penknives" as we know them here, and are therefore viewed with less disdain. For more in-depth confirmation of this please refer to the Criminal Justice Act, Section 139 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880033_en_12.htm#mdiv139
Specific reference should be made to subsection 2. Also, as things stand there are no restrictions as to what you can carry if you go wilderness camping, etc. As long as you can demonstrate to any passing police officer that you have a reason to be in possession of such an item, (ie having camping gear, bergen, etc with you and generally looking the part), and you are not acting in an irresponsible manner such as flashing your 12 inch, super-lethal, killing/survival/SEAL/stealth knife at passing pensioners, you will be fine. The police still have better things to do than bother law abiding citizens going about their legal business. Of course this may change in the near future! :(

greeboz said:
I have decided look for a Buck 'stockman' non locking knife under three inches that I can legally carry, very hard to find in the UK though. Would love to have a buck knife that I can really fall in love with and have on me all the time. The buck brand really means a lot to me.

greeboz, I was in exactly the same position as you and have just retired my 110 from EDC duties and purchased a 301 Stockman. Hopefully I won't be stepping on any toes if I link to the seller I got mine from:

http://www.handyniknaks.com/

They aren't too bad for price and being UK based means not having to worry about some overzealous customs official confiscating your new purchase!

To all my other forumites here, if I am not allowed to post direct links here please let me know and I will remove it.

All the best.
 
Well according to the police Saturday morning a lot of information is now out of date and the government have changed a few things.

I have not said that you could not get away with carrying a knife in the wilderness...and the chances of being stopped and searched are *remote* he he but according to the police you have no reason to carry any knife in a *public* place anymore, 3 inches or anything. So if I go biking in the woods then I would get away with it. Go over to the local supermarket with a 3inch non lockable knife and then it would get confiscated. This comes directly from the Police. And this was during an official caution.

So I am sorry but

May not be carried anywhere "public"
If you claim you use it for fishing.. then make sure you got a rod with you.
You cannot just walk around with any knife in your pocket anymore...

May *not* be the official law as stated on several police websites but the Police have been told this is the way to react to the "Knife Threat"

Obviously this depends a lot on the Policeman that searches you... and your reaction to him doing that and also it may vary from area to area but this is the way it is... :(
 
Hi Maverick,

I don't really want to hijack greebozz's thread but I will agree that your mileage may vary. I live in central Scotland where things are about as tight as they can get. Here the police still take the letter of the law a bit more seriously. A non-locking, sub 3" knife is still perfectly legal, without need for an explanation. Of course this is, as you say, all down to appearance and demeaner. If you were a scrote and found in possession of ANY knife I am sure that the police would try the strong-arm tactics and try to give you a fright. However they wouldn't take it too much further. Any decent lawyer would point out that the knife was perfectly legal and the case would be thrown out of court wasting both time and money. Fact is that as things stand these knives are still perfectly legal for everyday use. If you check some of the recent Hansard entries, (Records of the daily occurences in the House of Commons for you non-British forumites ;) ), you will see that this topic has been raised at least a couple of times lately, and that the reply has always been that non-locking, sub 3" knives are not illegal, nor are there any plans to make them so. Of course all this is somewhat fluid, and there is always the possibility that they will try to bring in new legislation, however it hasn't happened yet. The best advice seems to be to know your rights as they stand and stick by them. Be responsible and you shouldn't have too many problems. Then it is just a case of waiting for this all to blow over again. Operation Blade came and went in the eighties and no doubt this will be the same once the sheeple find something new to worry about.

Hope things down your way improve soon. Certainly seems you have some more Draconian police officers than we do here :(
 
Hi Loupe, very good rundown of how things are in England. Mav I think that new police would have no hesitaion from conficating any knife from a gang of youths.

The law is what it is, and carring a >3" no lock folder is legal. To anyone not from the UK this debate my seem a bit overcauious but it is nice to know where you stand. For everyday use you don't want a monor nagging worry that you may be arested however unlikly.

By the way loupe please give us a perspecive on the 301

thanks


In my view lock knives are not nessersary as some people claim. The only time you need a lock knife is when you are stabbing into something, If you have a nice knife you don't do that.
 
greebozz said:
In my view lock knives are not nessersary as some people claim. The only time you need a lock knife is when you are stabbing into something, If you have a nice knife you don't do that.

Greebozz, you may take a lot of flack over this statement... Any locker is inherently safer to use than a slipjoint if you are doing work with it.
Every craftsman I know from a/c guys to plumbers, to electricians always have a quality lockback in their gear. Never a slipjoint. And none of them that I know go around stabbing anything.
I have never seen or heard of a hunter using a slip joint. Maybe there are some and maybe on small game like rabbits or birds.
Maybe you just haven't ever had the need for a good lockback.
 
Hi actually I did not mean to post that part about my view on lock knives, I thought better of in but forgot to cut it from the post.

I did not want to open a can of worms for me there is a truth in what I say. But then again I do not hunt and skin where a lock is probably vital.

If you are very tired and am trying to shred a cardbord box to make it smaller there is a risk of accidental closure.

To cut something you do not need a lock mechemisum. Don't get me wrong it is better to have a lock I prefer them but I am slighlty won over by the point that the one cercomstance that you definatly need a lock is in a fighting knife. I don't want to suggetst anyone who likes lock would dream of using a knife for a perpose.


can of worms well and truly opened
 
Pack Rat said:
I have never seen or heard of a hunter using a slip joint. Maybe there are some and maybe on small game like rabbits or birds.

Have you ever seen a large slipjoint like these?

Just about every American knife company has made this pattern for a LONG time, most deer hunters I know have long used these folding hunters around my area.

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Even Buck used to have one (the 317 I think) in their slipjoint line.
 
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