My first impressions of the new Benchmade 42

Gollnick

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I stopped by The Beavercreek Road Address this morning and picked up my first Benchmade Model 42, the new Bali-Song butterfly knife. So, I thought I'd share my first impressions of this new edition to the great Bali-Song line with y'all.

The first impression you get is from the anodized colored handles. They have shades of green and pink which create iridescent shades of purple and blue gray as the light plays off of it at different angles. It's going to be very hard to adequately photograph this.

Next, you pick the knife up and wonder if you actually got it in your hand or not. If you're used to the old stainless steel Model 44 or 45, the 42 is like a feather in your hand. The handles are titanium and very light.

This knife is actually a bit larger than a 44 or 45. My handy 45 is 5.410" long closed. My new 42 is 5.525 inches. The 45 is .490" thick at the punyo while the 42 is .500". The 45 is 1.030" wide at the punyo and the 42 is 1.087". But, a 44 tips the scale at 6 1/2 oz. The 42 only 4 1/4 oz (my scale is only good to 1/4 oz increments). By comparison, the 42 feels very light.

The third impression you get handling the 42 is how "warm" it feels. If you're used to taking 6 1/2 oz. of cold steel into your hand, the Ti handles on the 42 just feel warm. I like to put my 44 or 45 into my pocket and let it warm up for ten minutes or so before working with it. That won't be necessary with the 42.

The handles feel light and almost cheap. You have to remind yourself that they're Ti and actually tougher than the old steel ones.

The mass difference makes manipulating the knife different. It took a bit of getting used to. After adjusting, though, I found that the lighter handles sure to let you fly.
The joints are all super smooth and move just perfectly. There's very very little wobble in the joints yet they are not the slightest bit tight. You can see a washer between the handle and the blade. I suspect that this washer (which essentially allows two moving joints instead of one) plays a big roll in how nicely this knife moves. (Of course, this is nothing new. The older Benchmade Bali-Songs have a washer too, but you've got to look harder to see it.)

Speaking of flying, this knife loves to fly. It's remarkably easy to catch so air with this knife From simple toss-and-catch to complicated aerial tricks, I've never had a balisong that flies as well as this one.

The new latch design is a great improvement. It is impossible for the latch to strike the blade. However, the latch can still strike the back of the opposite handle. For a knife you're going to carry and use, this is just fine. A little bit of scratching on the opposite handle is no problem. It's damage to the edge of the blade that you worry about. However, if you want to keep your 42 perfect, you'll still need a patch of tape on the opposite handle (which is really not objectionable at all).

The Batangas-style latch locks up firmly both open and closed. Just as you should with a good balisong, you have to squeeze the handles a bit to either latch or unlatch the handle either open or closed. The lock open is as strong as Benchmade's Production Quality Bali-Songs have always been... THE strongest lock of any folding knife ever made. Locked open, this thing is a strong and as stable as a comparable fixed blade.

Unlike the previous "Production Quality" Bali-Songs (such as the 44 and 45) which tried to hide the pins, the 42 celebrates the pins. The pins are nicely finished, though, not quite flush to the handles, but not like those on many cheap balisongs which can actually catch and cut your hand.

The handles feature the classic "two small holes between large holes" skeleton pattern, but the counter sinking makes the large holes seem almost oval-shaped. Thankfully (and I know that some balisong artists disagree with me on this one) Benchmade has kept the thinner handles from their previous designs.

The 42 comes with Benchmade's new-style sheath. They've gone back to the "dual carry" option which has three straps on the back configured to allow vertical or traditional balisong horizontal carry. The new sheath is made of a stiffer material (a welcome change. Balisong artists won't have to put nails into the flaps to stiffen them up anymore). But, the new sheath is unfortunately just a touch to short of the knife. With the knife fully inserted tang-first (the popular horizontal carry for people who prefer a latch-drop-opening draw), a little less than half of the velcro actually mates. You can see that the flap is not bending where is was designed to. On the other hand, if you, like me, prefer to sheath your balisong punyo first to draw by the horns and open with, perhaps, a double-flip out-to-in opening (as you can see me demonstrate on my web site), because of the sheath's rounded end, the punyo does not go all the way down into the sheath. The flap is barely able to stay shut with only about 1/4" of velcro mating. Benchmade needs to make the sheath a 1/2" or so longer and square up the end. On the other hand, I like the rather small, discrete, blue-on-black Benchmade label much better than the shouting, giant white-on-black Bali-Song logo used on the old sheaths (I have to confess to having cut the logo off of several sheaths that I actually carry because it was just so loud. This new one can stay on.)

Oh, by the way, there's a blade too. You can tell this is a balisong review because the blade is the last thing discussed. It's a classic Weehawk. It's just about the same length as the 45's Weehawk, but the swedge is cut back much farther, about 2/3 to 3/4 of the way back on the spine. If you're thinking about sharpening your swedge and yet still want to be able to do manipulations such as finger-rolls, this swedge is about as deep as I'd like to take one. The ricasso, kick, and tang including the horns are approximately the same as the 45. There is only a very slight choil. The median ridge is much lower on the blade than the old 45, so the swedge looks more pronounced. The blade is ATS-34 and has a nice, brushed finish. The ricasso on the front of the blade had the traditional Bali-Song butterfly logo acid-etched on it. The back is acid-etched "Benchmade over USA" and mine also reads, "Prototype over 11/25".

While it will take me a bit to get used these substantially lighter handles, I have to say that I am very pleased with this new Bali-Song. The tradition continues with quality of design and quality of construction.

I'll post pictures shortly.



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
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Chuck, very nice review. You didn't say if you liked it more or less than the 45?

Would you prefer a $200 45 or a $125 42?

IMHO the 45 can not be beat!
I just got a 45 today and LOVE IT. I have had a 10 for about 20 years and I really like the larger size much better. I think I will pass on the lighter 42, but if you can not get a 45 it sounds like a nice knife; better than the others.
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[This message has been edited by RGRAY (edited 02-15-2000).]
 
Chuck,
Nice review.I always thought I was an oddball because I liked balisongs with exposed pins.I'm glad to see this model has them.
Also in reference to the lightweight handles-I at one time had Taylor manila folders with aluminum handles that were incredibly light and were blur fast to work. Does this feel as light?

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Tim

 
You've only increased my appetite for one of these. Would you say that the titanium is easier to marr or dent than the old stainless? I wouldn't know, but I remember the old 17PH cast stainless handles as being pretty resistent to such. I was wondering if the titanium, though tougher, was actually a softer material than the old stuff. At any rate, it sounds sweet. Thanks. Professor.
 
Well, this has generated a few questions.

As for which I like better, I have to wait a bit to be fair. One always tends to prefer to old and familiar. What is new needs time to become familiar before a valid judgement can be made. I will say that, aside from the sheath, there is nothing to immediately dislike about the 42. It has no obvious flaw. It is very, very smooth and I like it very much.

Ti handles are not new. Benchmade has offered them as a pricey option on custom Bali-Songs for many years. The atomic number of Aluminum is 13. The atomic number of Titanium is 22. So, Aluminum handles should be about 1/2 the weight of Titanium. But, the advantage of Ti is it's strength and hardness. Al can be induction hardened, but it becomes very brittle.

I have not, obviously, tried to scratch or marr the handles on my 42 and don't intend to. But, my guess is that T1 will hold up as well as Stainless Steel did. My concern is about scratches in the anodized color finish. While not a paint or powder-coat that might easily scratch, rub, or chip off, anodization is only skin-deep. Fortunately, Benchmade will be offering non-anodized handles for those who prefer that look or who want a more durable finish. On the other hand, unlike Stainless which has a bright, silvery finish, Ti tends to be a duller almost white.



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.4cs.net/~gollnick
 
Is there one available to buy right now?

I sure would like to get my hands on one!

Thanks for the review, and like David2584 I wonder about the blade steel also? Thought it was going to be Sandvik.

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I hope the production model's blade steel isn't ATS-34 ... I'd probably shatter it very quickly by dropping.

The relative strengths and stiffnesses (for a given weight) of aluminum and titanium are based on properties independent of their atomic number. (Generally, more metal means more strength and more weight.) 3Al/2V and 6Al/4V are popular alloys of Ti that offer a compromise of stiffness and durability, while aluminum tends to be softer overall and lighter (and cheaper!). I'd worry most about the stops for the tang pin, in any case.

I thought that Ti was impossible to coat (then I looked up `anodize' in the dictionary). I wonder how long the shock-treatment will last ... hopefully the extra durability of Ti will be extended to the outer layer.
 
The atomic number will not give you an accurate idea of the weight.

Taken from the Mission Knives Website:

Titanium is more than 40% lighter than steel. For comparative analysis, Aluminum is approximately 0.12 lbs./cu.in., Steel is approximately 0.29 lbs./cu.in., and Titanium is approximately 0.16 lbs./cu.in.

If the handle was not anodized, titanium would look newer than Stainless steel longer. Stinless steel starts looking old real quick.

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So it sounds like the ti handles are midway between aluminum and stainless. This is interesting to me as I'm one of the rare ones who felt the stainless steel handles were just a tiny bit too heavy but the aluminum handle, although very fast was too light. I have a gut feeling the model 42 might be my personal perfect balisong. I guess Benchmade is hoping others have that reaction also.

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Tim

 
You are correct, Mr. JoHnYKwSt, to point out that atomic number doesn't tell the whole story. Metals are rarely used in their pure form and how the metal is formed affects density.

Personally, I don't think I have a large balisong with solid Al handles. I have several FHMs with Al bolsters and with bits of Al used as inserts. Al doesn't lend itself well to the Filipino fabrication methods. They like to pound metals out into sheets and then fold them.

Anyway, I suspect that Al handles would be significantly lighter than these Ti ones.

I am told that the blade on mine is ATS-34. I am no expert on alloy identification, but it certainly has that grayer appearance that ATS-34 tends to have. But, since many alloys can take on various appearances depending on how they're finished (440 can be dull and gray when bead-blasted and a silvery mirror if polished), it is dangerous to make try guessing what you have strictly by appearance. Benchmade's web site says of the production product, "The blade is 12C27 stainless, 4.2" long. Overall open length is 9.40" and closed is 5.20""

Apparently, either this prototype is atypical, my calipers are off (which is entirely possible, but probably not that much), or we're just not measuring the same dimension. I just measured this thing again and it's 5.524" long overall.

I want to also make clear that while I was a bit down on the sheath, there's a lot that I like about it. I like the new, stiffer material. I like the more subdued appearance. This new sheath says on the label, "Benchmade over Made in USA". There is no other label indicating origin of the sheath. This is a bit surprising inasmuchas these sorts of products tend to be made off-shore where child slave labors can work 24-hour days in dark sweat shops on machines that OSHA would insist on crushing for scrap metal. So, if Benchmade has found a domestic supplier, then I am very pleased. The sheath is doubtlessly not made by Benchmade. They're a knife company and don't have the machines and processes to make nylon sheaths. My guess is that this sheath was not made for this knife, that proper fitting sheaths are on order, and that it was grabbed at the last minute to provide some sheath for this early-released knife.



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.4cs.net/~gollnick
 
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