My MAP 3500 (Review)

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I posted this in another forum recently and wanted to post it here as well. Since I'm lazy and typing that much on a phone sucks, I'm copying and pasting.

About three weeks ago I received my third Kelty MAP3500. I've had a couple before; The first was sold for quick cash before eas'ing the Corps, the second was stolen this winter out of my Jeep and finally, my third is here. It's neutral colored for woods travel, but not quite enough for urban use for some I suppose. It's plenty big enough for me to spend a few nights out in. Being that this is my third exact pack, this definitely isn't a shoot from the hip review. I've spent a tour in Iraq with my first and the second I had lasted me as an every day ruck for almost five or six years. The only feature I'm not fond of would be the water bottle pockets on the side. The bottles tend to bounce out if you're moving quick enough unless you use the bottom compression straps to loop through your bottle. I've contacted Keltyearlier this week about making a type of enclosed pocket, but they didn't seem keen on this. I also suggested MOLLE type webbing so you're own pocket could be added instead, but they said that was a no go because of the nature of the pack. Kelty and Amron international (exclusive supplier) developed this pack for the SEALs. Apparently they wanted a pack that could handle all their mission essentials without looking to military. Obviously, MOLLE would be a dead give away.

Ok, I did a few pix today to cover my horribly constructed review of the Kelty MAP3500. This review is just my opinion and reflects my experiences with the three that I have owned and used in combat and in my daily life. The following are the specs taken from Amron International's website.

"Features

Internal suspension, two fit to form Light-Beam stay rods Panel loading pack, single large compartment 2 exterior zippered pockets Interior hydration pouch, supports up to 100 oz. bladder, 210d nylon ripstop Hydration port at top of pack allows for drink tube to be used
over either shoulder. Hydration port has snap-on, top-flap closure Exterior cargo pocket with fleece eyewear pocket and admin organizer pocket Side mesh pockets (fits 1 quart lexan water bottles each side) Waist belt with Scherer cinch system Waist belt tuck-away feature Adjustable sternum strap Fully adjustable (removable/replaceable) shoulder straps

Specifications

Dimensions: 21in. L x 14.5 in. W X 6.5 in. H Volume: 2300 cubic inches Material: 420d HD nylon Oxford mesh cover on back panel and shoulder strap 420 gram, 100% nylon Airmesh EVA foam in back panel and shoulder straps 500 denier nylon Kodra construction, double stitched"

Obviously, dependinding on how you pack, a backpack can be suitable for a day on out to infinity. For me I would put this in the daily carry to 72/96 hour range.

First, a pic to remember what the pack looks like.
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The straps and back panel offer lots of comfort. Ive had about 45-50 lbs in this one and felt no pain. My daily load is around 25lbs.
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The front zipper pocket carries minor odds and ends that I don't always use.
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The middle pocket has more organization possibilities, but I obviously ignore this feature. It's got an admin type pocket, for pens and things. In my past two I've cut the stitching out so it was just one big pocket with no organizer.
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There's also a fleece lined valuables/sunglasses pocket. My camera usually rides here.
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The main pack area is pretty spacious. Plenty of room for up to 72/96 hours of the gear I would use.
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There's a couple sleeve type pockets that I use for magazines on my daily carry.
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There are two compression straps on both sides that work very well for cinching down an load.
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee443/Murphnuge/2012-08-22_14-04-43_151.jpg[y offer plenty of room for expansion as well.
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I'll add more of a what's in my pack type walk through later, but for now wanted to give the basic layout and thoughts. The only thing I would change about this pack other than the organizer pocket would be the water bottle pockets. I don't really care for them as is. The first time I used them was still state side before Iraq on a range and my nalgenes came out in a run. After that I started running the bottom compression strap through the nalgene's lid loop. That helped, but I'd still rather see an enclosed pocket instead of the open type. Even MOLLE would be great so that you can add your own pouch. I've contacted Kelty with my suggestion and have been told that the reason for them being this way is to eliminate the military look as much as possible while still remaining a military pack capability. Makes sense, but I'll probably modify this later.
 
I have one in Ocean Grey that I picked up for a travel bag overseas to avoid the militray look of my other packs. I really love the pack. I do not have the time in with it that you do so I will be listening in for how well yours held up.

Bill
 
I have one in Ocean Grey that I picked up for a travel bag overseas to avoid the militray look of my other packs. I really love the pack. I do not have the time in with it that you do so I will be listening in for how well yours held up.

Bill

Bill, you'll not be disappointed with that pack. Ive had several, the longest was in my daily use for about 5 years and I have zero complaints about it's performance.
 
Nice review Murph. I should be ordering one by tomorrow.

I have one in Ocean Grey that I picked up for a travel bag overseas to avoid the militray look of my other packs. I really love the pack. I do not have the time in with it that you do so I will be listening in for how well yours held up.

Bill
I too, am leaning towards Ocean Grey. Reading reviews of this color, make it out to be a darker green color. I also like the multi-cam, but like you say, the Ocean looks less military.
 
Warrior,
I do a little overseas travel and camo is not a good idea. So this OG MAP is great. Foliage Green is also a good color- I have a Spec OPS THE pack in foliage as well as my Remora murse. My Mystery Ranch Sweat Pea in orange and grey is good but pricey and was a gift so I hate to risk losing it while abroad.

The MAP is a GREAT compromise - non mil color(well not obviously) , no molle webbing to catch attention, great bag but not so expensive I will take a big hit if it is stolen or damaged .

I plan to pick up an extra when the opportunity presents. Being there is only one distributor, second hand bags are scarce.

Bill

I will try to get a pick this weekend to show color- think overcast day on the ocean, definitely a draker gray- disappears in shadows at dusk- urban or forest.
 
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I ordered one today, Ocean Grey. Looking forward to getting it.
 
Try the coupon code "nutnfancy" and you might get a nice discount.
 
Is the harness adjustable for back length? I find most packs are too short in the back so too much weight is taken up but the shoulders instead of the hip belt.
 
Is the harness adjustable for back length? I find most packs are too short in the back so too much weight is taken up but the shoulders instead of the hip belt.

Thats a really good question. I have the same problem with lots of packs, the torso length is to short for me causing it not to ride properly.
 
The primary problem with all (or most) of these "3-day assault" type packs is that it's relatively inexpensive to add to the size of the main pack girth (where the manufacturers do all their best advertising) or "features", but much more expensive to make an appropriate torso length to accommodate the weight.

The torso length, or "height", of the pack means a longer/larger pack sheet and back-padding as well as longer (expensive!) zippers to close things up. Features like MOLLE webbing (material and installation) is relatively inexpensive compared to the other materials.

So, unfortunately, most of these types of packs will suffer from the same inability to appropriately carry loads the pack volume says they can handle. It's a pack suspension problem really. Most men have a torso length between 19"-22" whereas most of these "3-day assault" type packs max out at 19" so that's why when guys put 'em on the 'hip-belt" is more of a "rib-cage belt".
 
It is adjustable. I have around a 21 1/2" torso length, and it fits me just fine after adjusting. I'm 6'2", btw.
 
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Update, I found someone willing to mod my pack. He goes by Oneironauton another forum and does excellent work. He kept me constantly in the loop about what was going on and ran the whole process by me. Turn around time was originally projected at 4-6 weeks, but ended up being less than a week after he received it. The water bottle pockets were removed and five rows of PALS/MOLLE webbing were put in their place. I took it on a short hike this past Sunday with a Condor watter bottle pocket(32 oz Guyot inside) and there was no noticeable sag or flopping. I'm very happy with this mod and wouldn't hesitate to send more work to this guy. Here's the pix!









 
Saw this on the other forum. Looks sick man, really nice. :thumbup:
 
That really gave it a sleek profile. That guy does outstanding work.
 
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