Mystery Ranch or Kifaru

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Hey guys, I've had enough of these Maxpedition and 511 packs that I have been buying. I want something better. I want the "right" pack. I am tired of these Chinese/Taiwanese made packs and considering there is not really anything high end made here in Canada I am naturally going to buy from the States. Don't get me wrong Maxpedition and 511 are well made packs but they are lacking something. Maxpedition's material is far to abrasive and 511 seems cheap to me. Considering the price of the packs that I have gotten from both companies I could have one hell of a fine pack from one of the better companies. I wish there were dealers in my local that could show me one but there is not, so I am coming here. What should I get. I am a hunter, expeditions are frequent with me and I would like something that could carry all my necessary gear in a worst case scenario. I know this a lot to ask from one pack but I figure if anyone can help, it will be someone here. I managed to hide $700 Canadian from the wife and to be honest that should be enough. Anyone with experience with both brands? Fi so any input would be greatly appreciated....Thanks
 
i have carried both in iraq and afghanistan and honestly i ilike mystery ranch better. kifaru is very nice also but i just like the features and designs of mystery ranch more. the nice frames are pretty awesome and are very versatile. the futura and live wing are also awesome for the internal frame packs. with 700 dollars you could have a awesome pack with everything from either company. good luck and let us know what you went with
 
Hunter & Expeditions .... check out the Kifaru Ultralight line that just came out. The 5200 is 2 lbs 13 oz and will haul 100+ pounds.
 
Hunter & Expeditions .... check out the Kifaru Ultralight line that just came out. The 5200 is 2 lbs 13 oz and will haul 100+ pounds.

That's the next pack I have my sights on.

To the OP...I'd go to kifaru.net and join their forum. You'll find tons of information on all their packs there as well as people ready to answer questions related to any of them if you start to zero in on what you might want.
 
Hopefully I'm not too late, but Arctery'x is Canadian, and they run with the best. Look into their line. I recommend the Bora 65-I used the military version for 5 years, and it's built tough.
 
I have no experience with Kifaru, but I do have a Mystery Ranch 3DAP. Great pack! Highly recommend MR. If you're interested in something you can (a) purchase right away (b) about as good in terms of quality and function and (c) at almost half the cost, try Camelbak. I also have the Camelbak Tri-Zip, which is built on the MR 3DAP design with minor differences. Fits and feels the same and quality is outstanding.

If you're looking for something bigger, see if you can score an older Dana Design pack made in USA prior to moving their production overseas. Dana Gleason's company prior to starting Mystery Ranch. Great packs that will last you a lifetime.
 
Help me understand this. I really want to like MR, Kifaru and Eberlestock packs but I don't understand why anyone would pay the weight penalty when there are similarly featured packs which weigh much less and cost less to boot.

Obviously I am new to packs so don't take this as an insult and berate me. I really want to know what it is with these packs that make them worth the extra 2-4 lbs.
 
Dude, you live in Canada and never heard of Arcteryx? I used their ILBE pack, and the thing was damn near bomb proof.
 
Help me understand this. I really want to like MR, Kifaru and Eberlestock packs but I don't understand why anyone would pay the weight penalty when there are similarly featured packs which weigh much less and cost less to boot.

Obviously I am new to packs so don't take this as an insult and berate me. I really want to know what it is with these packs that make them worth the extra 2-4 lbs.

Durability. Like, fallen out of a helicopter at 500' AGL durability. I don't know how well other manufacturers packs would cope, but I know of at least one Kifaru pack which survived that(didn't do much for the contents of the pack though).
I'm sure that packs by MR, Eberlestock, et al could do similar. Probably overkill for civilian use though.
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Help me understand this. I really want to like MR, Kifaru and Eberlestock packs but I don't understand why anyone would pay the weight penalty when there are similarly featured packs which weigh much less and cost less to boot.

Obviously I am new to packs so don't take this as an insult and berate me. I really want to know what it is with these packs that make them worth the extra 2-4 lbs.

as far as why one would choose between those three companies: belt padding, pocket structure, frame compatibility between bags, load sling structure.

for durability, the eberlstock that I handled felt notably less thick/strong as the mystery ranches I've handled, and I assume kifaru is either on par or slightly heavier feeling fabric then mystery ranch. I wouldn't want anything less than mystery ranch for abrasion resistance unless I was an ultralight packer who was willing to give up abrasion resistance for weight. There are some great ripstop packs out there including the kifaru ultralight series, but that just isn't something I care about. I'm young enough that I'll expend the extra energy to carry the extra weight, and I don't do 30 day hikes that require the ultralight mentality out of necessity.

Kifaru loves their unpadded/lightly padded belts, they say that it wraps around the hip rim vs. creates hotspots you'd get with stiff padding. A lot of people love that, a lot of people don't. I prefer padding.

I like pockets. I don't want a dufflebag with 20 stuffsacks if i can avoid it, and I don't want to load 20 modular pockets on the outside of the pack if I don't have to. Thus, mystery ranch is more appropriate for me.

Frame compatibility is greater with mystery ranch. Any bag that is modular will fit the NICE frame, kifaru has (I believe) 3 separate frames with only a few packs per frame size. Mystery ranch has 10 or so configurations for their nice frame, increasing their versatility for those on a budget. With my alpha wolf system and load sling, I've 4 configurations for the price of one high end kifaru (alpha wolf and wolf pup with load sling stowed, alpha wolf alone, wolf pup with load sling on top of it, load sling alone). Likewise, the kifaru set up is a frame sheet vs. a box frame with stays. Each one will ride differently and is a matter of preference.

The load slings are notably different between companies. Mystery ranch goes with a foldable sling that can wrap around whatever your carrying. Kifaru went with a second stiff frame sheet, so you have a shelf. Each have their benefits/drawbacks, I went with MR because of the other reasons, and just like their load sling, I don't actually have a preference between the two.



Now, why would you spend the extra money for a MR or a kifaru over a 150-200$ internal from someone like kelty? all of the reasons above. Kelty's don't have any kind of frame modularity because they are internal, the framing system often is not as well designed as MR and kifaru, you may not want to load a kelty to 120lb's. The belts on kelty's are good, but not as nice (imho) as MR and the back padding isn't either. Kelty doesn't come with a load sling because it's internal. The fabric used by kelty is similar to eberlestock, it doesn't feel like it has the abrasion resistance of the fabrics used by MR. There are many reasons to go with the more expensive and heavier pack manufacturers. If your asking 'why pack heavy instead of ultralight', it's a matter of mentality. durability, load stability, and comfort of having extra gear/food with you are considerations that people differ on.
 
Help me understand this. I really want to like MR, Kifaru and Eberlestock packs but I don't understand why anyone would pay the weight penalty when there are similarly featured packs which weigh much less and cost less to boot.

Obviously I am new to packs so don't take this as an insult and berate me. I really want to know what it is with these packs that make them worth the extra 2-4 lbs.
There aren't "similarly featured packs" that weigh less, because the features are where the additional weight comes from. Some of these features may be wasted on you, though, depending on your use. I notice that people on the internet often like to exaggerate their need for overbuilt gear for whatever reason.
I don't carry heavy loads, so am not the best example, but if a 3lb. pack plus a 22lb. load feels like 25lbs. and a 5lb. pack with a 22lb. load and a more robust suspension feels like 15, which one is really "heavier"? Doubling that load(and the difference) for someone on an extended trip or with heavier gear, and more than tripling it for military users and some backcountry hunters might help you see why people would want packs like these.
I do like overbuilt gear to a certain extent, and am pretty rough on my stuff, but actually got my MR Dragonslayer for hauling rock climbing gear. It gets used for short backpacking trips because I like it, not out of some dire need for a bombproof pack.

There's a weight penalty for a beefed up suspension, and more durable material in the packbag, straps and buckles. Things like more zippers, and PALS webbing add convenience, but also at the cost of more weight.
If you want to see what makes a pack carry well, you've got to look at the anatomy of the suspension, though. Mystery Ranch's infinitely adjustable yoke, and the variety of yoke and waistbelt sizes assure an absolutely perfect, custom fit. Their internal frame packs have full length framesheets, and fiberglass stays on anything larger than their daypacks, for transferring weight to the hipbelt, where thick padding extends from the lumbar region around the top of the hips to more effectively spread that load, and lock it into place so that it doesn't shift or sag. You don't carry it, you wear it. Very nice, especially on rough terrain.

For all those reasons, I don't consider the weight of the pack itself a factor. There's a middle ground, and plenty of nice packs from various manufacturers out there, but I think the only people who need to be using ultralight packs are ones who have ALL ultralight gear. Ideally, your gear is a system, not a pile of randomly chosen items. The pack should be the last thing bought in your system, and the last place you try to save weight-doesn't matter how much your load weighs if your pack can't carry it comfortably.
 
I really want to know what it is with these packs that make them worth the extra 2-4 lbs.

load carrying comfort.

Some 7-8# packs can comfortably carry in excess of 75#s (if you so choose).
Some 3-4# packs can't carry even 35#s comfortably.

Some packs are heavy when looking at numbers on paper, but are so comfortable on your back that an extra couple of pounds is not even noticed.
 
Arc'teryx's Naos 85 is made in Vancouver, BC. That, my friend is a very high-end pack. Comes in a charcoal grey - perfect for a hunter - and because it's waterproof, it'll clean-up easily after a hunting trip. These are tough packs and the h20-proof design is absolutely fantastic. Many of Arc'teryx's products are made in Canada [the expensive ones anyway]. Should ring-in around your budget.

Mystery Ranch would be my second choice. Dana Gleason [the owner] was the former owner of Dana Designs. Unfortunately, that company was sold to K2 and they sold it to Marmot who then turned the packs into the cheap Chinese crap you speak of. Anyway ... IMHO he makes some incredible packs. They're heavy, but they carry well and they're capable of carrying massive loads comfortably. I have a Dana Designs Astralplane from 1997 and it's still going strong - it carries 60 lbs like it's 20 lbs.
 
I don't have any experience with MR so I can't comment on their packs, but I do have a Kifaru Navigator, and Scout, both with several pockets. Kifaru's fit and feel are top notch. I regularly carry 37-45lbs in the navigator, and it feels like nothing. I loaded it up with 100lbs (plate weights wrapped in blankets) one time for a 1.5 mile hike (to see how it and I did), and it handled things just fine(not fun for me, but when is carrying that much for any distance any fun anyway). For hunting, I would probably go with their mmr or emr with the cargo hauler option and beefier frame. Just my 2 cents for what they're worth.
 
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Thanks much for the insightful comments! I recently picked up this Gregory (although I have yet to use it) and was trying to figure out what makes these packs worth the extra couple of pounds. I may look into the MR for my day/weekend pack!
 
I just got back (Sat) from a two week trip in India and used a Camelback Trizip which is designed off of the Mystery Ranch 3DAP. I have large shoulders and a long torso. This is the first "3day" type pack that I've ever had fit me. And it fit me WELL.

I can't say enough good things about it. With a couple of external pouches (kifaru) it held 5 days worth of clothes and all of the extras (meds, shaving kit, camera, etc...) that I needed. It got thrown around and beat up pretty good as I traveled over 2000 miles in country and it was carried/loaded/thrown/dropped by numerous baggage guys at train stations and the like.

I don't really need any more packs but if I get another it will be a Mystery Ranch.
 
I had the opportunity to try out a MR pack in theater and I own several Kifaru packs and an Arc'Teyrx Tango pack. All are built extremely well and I actually liked the fit of the MR pack (3-Day Assault) and it's on my future buy list. I have a few Kifaru packs and used them in both Iraq and Afghanistan. There are some excellent comments about the packs already...features will make the deal for you. Kifaru's suspension has really worked well for me and as mentioned, if you've ever carried 80lbs in a Large Alice ruck, you know it sucks; however, you could carry 100lbs in a Kifaru and still feel more comfortable.

Now, I know there's a lot of criticism on the weight of these types of packs. If your activities don't require it or you can't see the need...than these types of packs probably aren't for you. I say this as I actually use Osprey and Gregory packs for recreational backpacking and hiking trails and much prefer them, their features and light weight. If you've ever gone off trail and traverse rugged terrain, your typical trail packs wouldn't make it far. As to what my Kifaru EMR and Zulu have been through in Iraq/Afghanistan would destroy most packs...getting walked on, ratcheted and compressed, thrown off trucks out of helos and fixed wings; sat on, pulled, tossed, smashed...left in 120 degree heat and exposed to rain, snow and sleet...used as furniture, rifle rest and even a sand-storm windbreak. What often gets shoved into your pack often has sharp corners…radios, batteries; spare magazines, bolt cutters, etc. If you use your pack hard and off-trail, you want something that will last and hold up to hard use, abuse and even neglect.

I'm positive Mystery Ranch much like Kifaru will provide you excellent service. These are top rated packs that are meant to be used hard. If you're not going to put these packs to the test with your activities, than you probably don't need these types of packs...there are several well-made packs that are much cheaper and lighter; however, I wouldn't depend my life on them in some situations nor put them in conditions I’ve used my Kifaru packs. For trail backpacking, MR, Kifaru and the military line of Arc'Teyrx are over-kill and not needed, but if you’ve ever had a pack blow-out on the trail…I can tell you humping a garbage bag full of gear even the last few miles back to the truck really sucks.

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I had the Maxpedition Condor 11, just replaced it with a Camelbak Trizip, I added two Tactical Taylor accessory 1V pouches to it. This pack is very comfortable and carry's all your gear great. When you adjust to your body, it fits like a glove. I looked at the Mystery Ranch at the SHOT this year, and went with the Camelbak Trizip which is a Mystery design. The plus side with Camelbak Trizip is the you get a bladder with it.
 
My EDC and trekking pack is a Kifaru x-ray, I have been very pleased with that pack. I have been through a few other packs over the years that have either just fallen to bits or not quite had the features I wanted. Kifaru have none of those problems as far as I can see and it has been well worth the extra cash IMO. :thumbup:
 
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