Name that pattern

grafton · Mar 20, 2019

Pretty scarce. I have one with the sheath but I’ve only seen a couple.

Square_peg · Mar 20, 2019

What's in a name?

Forgery62 · Mar 21, 2019

Slight hijack here, but is there a place where I can purchase a poster of ax head patterns? There's lots online but I have'nt found anything that blows up well. Something like FortyTwoBlades posted?
I'd like to hang one on my garage wall.

Old Axeman · Mar 21, 2019

About a year ago a friend who worked on "An Ax To Grind" at the US Forest Service in Missoula sent me four really great axe posters that I think everybody here would love. They are very high quality. I don't know the particulars about if they are for sale to the general public or not. For sure, somebody here will know how to find out. They are titled "Common Single-Bit Axe Head Patterns"; "Common Double-Bit Axe Head Patterns"; "Axe Handles"; and "Parts of an Axe". On the bottom of the posters is written---Produced by US Department of Agriculture-Forest Service-National Technology and Development Program-Missoula Montana-1623-2M04-MTDC.

Yankee Josh · Mar 21, 2019

Old Axeman said:
About a year ago a friend who worked on "An Ax To Grind" at the US Forest Service in Missoula sent me four really great axe posters that I think everybody here would love. They are very high quality. I don't know the particulars about if they are for sale to the general public or not. For sure, somebody here will know how to find out. They are titled "Common Single-Bit Axe Head Patterns"; "Common Double-Bit Axe Head Patterns"; "Axe Handles"; and "Parts of an Axe". On the bottom of the posters is written---Produced by US Department of Agriculture-Forest Service-National Technology and Development Program-Missoula Montana-1623-2M04-MTDC.

I am definitely interested old axeman. How do i go about purchasing one from you?

Old Axeman · Mar 21, 2019

YJ- I only have the one set that my friend Bob sent me. I have been retired from the Forest Service for 15 years and live a long way from Missoula now. I really don't know any thing about these posters other than they were produced at MTDC and I REALLY like them. I think everybody on this forum would also like them. My hope was, that with so many talented internet members, someone here could find info on line?
Try calling (406-329-3900) or emailing (pubs/wo_mtdc@fs.fed.us) the FS- MTDC in Missoula and ask what the story is on the posters.
Good Luck!

Miller '72 · Mar 21, 2019

Old Axeman said:
About a year ago a friend who worked on "An Ax To Grind" at the US Forest Service in Missoula sent me four really great axe posters that I think everybody here would love. They are very high quality. I don't know the particulars about if they are for sale to the general public or not. For sure, somebody here will know how to find out. They are titled "Common Single-Bit Axe Head Patterns"; "Common Double-Bit Axe Head Patterns"; "Axe Handles"; and "Parts of an Axe". On the bottom of the posters is written---Produced by US Department of Agriculture-Forest Service-National Technology and Development Program-Missoula Montana-1623-2M04-MTDC.

Not being all that internet savvy...I sent an email earlier this afternoon :thumbsup:

ithinkverydeeply · Mar 21, 2019

Old Axeman said:
YJ- I only have the one set that my friend Bob sent me. I have been retired from the Forest Service for 15 years and live a long way from Missoula now. I really don't know any thing about these posters other than they were produced at MTDC and I REALLY like them. I think everybody on this forum would also like them. My hope was, that with so many talented internet members, someone here could find info on line?
Try calling (406-329-3900) or emailing (pubs/wo_mtdc@fs.fed.us) the FS- MTDC in Missoula and ask what the story is on the posters.
Good Luck!

Is there any chance that we could compel you to get prints made for us? I’m sure we could cobble together the money for it.

Miller '72 · Mar 21, 2019

Forgery62 said:
Slight hijack here, but is there a place where I can purchase a poster of ax head patterns? There's lots online but I have'nt found anything that blows up well. Something like FortyTwoBlades posted?
I'd like to hang one on my garage wall.

I have run out of garage door but...

Agent_H · Mar 21, 2019

Miller '72 said:
I have run out of garage door but...

Waste not, want not :thumbsup:

Old Axeman · Mar 21, 2019

I think if you see the FS posters you will want the real deal instead of copies. Besides, I would not know how to do that where I now live--Big Island of Hawaii. Also, getting anything done timely or with quality is a major problem here. When someone tells you "we will start the job on Monday", you better ask which Monday is that and what year is it in. The best thing is to work direct with the Forest Service in Missoula by getting in touch through the contact information I gave you. If it works the same way it did 20 yrs ago with "An Ax To Grind" the posters will be in public domain because tax dollars were involved. This would mean anybody in the private sector could reproduce the posters and even sell them. If you are really interested, you need to contact them.

ithinkverydeeply · Mar 22, 2019

Care to indulge me in the pattern name game!?

Of the lot below, it is the 4.5lb Gränsfors Bruk in the middle that is puzzling me most?

But if anyone has opinions on the nuances of the other patterns, I’d welcome them! (Like Dayton or Wide Dayton?, Jersey or Baltimore Kentucky? Etc)

They go 2.5lb, 3.5lb, 4.5lb, 5lb, 6lb:

The GB is about 6” across the bit and 7 3/4” long.
I can provide dimensions of any of the others if it helps!

Thanks for your time!!

Agent_H · Mar 22, 2019

ithinkverydeeply said:
Care to indulge me in the pattern name game!?

Of the lot below, it is the 4.5lb Gränsfors Bruk in the middle that is puzzling me most?

But if anyone has opinions on the nuances of the other patterns, I’d welcome them! (Like Dayton or Wide Dayton?, Jersey or Baltimore Kentucky? Etc)

They go 2.5lb, 3.5lb, 4.5lb, 5lb, 6lb:

The GB is about 6” across the bit and 7 3/4” long.
I can provide dimensions of any of the others if it helps!

Thanks for your time!!

I think that big one might be an early Helko Carl Helsper (Germany).

Miller '72 · Mar 22, 2019

Agent_H said:
I think that big one might be an early Helko Carl Helsper (Germany).

Helko Crown
C.H. initials inside the crown.

Excellent observation and call.

ithinkverydeeply said:
Care to indulge me in the pattern name game!?

Of the lot below, it is the 4.5lb Gränsfors Bruk in the middle that is puzzling me most?

But if anyone has opinions on the nuances of the other patterns, I’d welcome them! (Like Dayton or Wide Dayton?, Jersey or Baltimore Kentucky? Etc)

They go 2.5lb, 3.5lb, 4.5lb, 5lb, 6lb:

The GB is about 6” across the bit and 7 3/4” long.
I can provide dimensions of any of the others if it helps!

Thanks for your time!!

It's a beauty

ithinkverydeeply · Mar 22, 2019

Agent_H said:
I think that big one might be an early Helko Carl Helsper (Germany).

Good eye! I made a hasty assumption.

Agent_H · Mar 22, 2019

ithinkverydeeply said:
Good eye! I made a hasty assumption.

I would imagine it is a fine axe regardless. :thumbsup:

A17 · Mar 22, 2019

Yankee, later Collins only Jersaway pattern, Connie, Dayton, North Carolina or Georgia.

ithinkverydeeply · Mar 22, 2019

A17 said:
Yankee, later Collins only Jersaway pattern, Connie, Dayton, North Carolina or Georgia.

Wow! I had not considered that might be a Connie. I was thinking it was a European pattern I wasn’t familiar with. Thanks a lot!

Yankee Josh · Mar 22, 2019

It's somewhat similar to a connie but it really doesn't look like one to me. The way there's an angle on the bottom precludes it from being one in my opinion. I don't know what pattern it is, as i don't know much about foriegn patterns, but it's a handsome one!

garry3 · Mar 23, 2019

Maybe Helko just called it an American pattern? It looks pretty good even with out ears.