Native American Moccasins?

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I know that this is a strange question for this forum, but many members have a vast knowledge base. Does anyone know where someone could find some "real" Native American style moccasins that could actually be worn outdoors and would stand up to hunting or walking through the woods. I don't mean those imitation cheap suade leather things with the rubber or thin leather soles that you would find in a tourist shop. I mean the real deal. I didn't really find anything on my web search. I met a lot of Native American's from my area (OK) at a Pow Wow this weekend and wish I had asked them who made theirs.
 
I'd have to think there are many places to get them here in OK, though I don't know of any off the top of my head. Hopefully someone will have a better answer for you.
 
We generally make our own. There's a video that has written instructions along with it that gives all the information in detail.
But moccasins aren't all they're cracked up to be. Yes they are comfortable and quiet in the woods but a good pair of today's tennis shoes with good socks are much better!
The moccasins are made with latigo leather that's 1/4"-5/16" thick for the soles with deer or elk uppers. The latigo leather takes some of the hazards of walking in the wild away but you should remember that we grew up with moccasins and our feet were tough because of them.
There were no socks back in those days so grass was often stuffed inside in the winter to help keep your feet warm.
Moccasins make great driving shoes and are nice for dancing outside in the Circle but that's about all I can say for them. Still once in a while you will step down hard on a stone and get a nice stone bruise and that hurts like hell for a few days. Dancing inside you have absolutely no support and even with a couple of sets of really good insoles in them they kill your feet and legs.
When on an extended journey for hunting or war in the past material was taken along to make and repair moccasins as they didn't last as long as some people think.
Today the heavily beaded tops are often saved and sewn onto new latigo soles to save the expensive beadwork. A nice set of nicely beaded moccasins can run you as much as $500.00!
It costs a lot of money to be an ndn.:eek: :rolleyes: ;)
I mostly wear Nikes or another good athletic shoe.:p
 
There you have it right from the horse's...

( Hmm - Maybe I should rethink this? )

:D :D :D
 
One neat idea I saw a while back was for 100% self made and self repairable footwear that would be good for rough hiking in the mountains.

They made mocassins and they then made sandals from tires to wear over the moccasins. For rough terrain and cold areas, they'd use both. For grassy meadows, they'd just use the moccasins. For crossing streams, they'd just use the sandals.
 
You did say -not- the imitation/rubber sole,
but maybe the comments will be useful to someone anyway

I almost always wear Minnetonka moccasins
Not really traditional, but......

this one is what I get
www.minnetonka-by-internet.com/MensTraditionalMoosehide.htm

www.minnetonka-by-internet.com/index.htm
also sells many other varieties that are more durable/heavier/stylish/specialized

Many local stores here carry the version I wear
my comments are only for this version

My last pair of moosehide mocs lasted for 6 years of daily wear.
50% of my winter wear & 90% of my summer wear
YMMV
leather treatment about once a year, before winter/wet wear

as Yvsa notes.......no support or hard/thick sole protection
but I grew up not wearing shoes
& still don't in the house
so no big.

It's like there's nothing on your foot.

Get them snug, they stretch quite a bit.
Once adjusted, sometimes I rebraid the laces
to make a band instead of a bow across the 'tongue'.
 
ddean said:
You did say -not- the imitation/rubber sole,
but maybe the comments will be useful to someone anyway
I agree Dean. The Minnetonkas are a good substitute although not traditional. And not being traditional is what gives them their long life.
Like I said above sort of, "The old tops are often sewn onto new bottoms." The tops can last a long, long, time!:)
 
mrostov said:
...... they then made sandals from tires to wear over the moccasins.
Mrostov I've read about the sandals made from old tires and it was very positive is about all I can remember. Seems like something was said about using them for 3rd world countries where the weather would permit. They are pretty neat and would save on foot injuries with nothing else available.:)

Rusty said:
There you have it right from the horse's...

( Hmm - Maybe I should rethink this? )

:D :D :D
You're allowed bro, just as long as there's a smile there.;)
 
I certainly wouldn't call Russell Moccasins traditional, but you still might want to take a look at them. You can get a pair of Russell Trackers custom made to your foot measurements for around $245. They have many other styles.

--Josh
 
Bald Mountain makes all kinds of old fashioned footwear and they use a sole material that is guaranteed for life.
(I believe)
We used to get our shoes for rennaissance faires from them.
He uses leather or hides for uppers, but the sole is conveyer belt material.
Super strong stuff.
It looks like leather, but it is hard as hell.
He is expensive, but worth it.
 
Thanks for all the info. I guess the traditionalism of "real" old time moccasins might not always be that practical though when you really sit down and think about it, except wearing around the house. I think I might look into some more non-traditional mocs unless I'm going to another Pow Wow. Although, I did use to wear them all the time when I was a kid---riding horses bareback, hunting, running through the woods, etc. Feet were a little younger then though.
 
Yvsa said:
Moccasins make great driving shoes and are nice for dancing outside in the Circle but that's about all I can say for them. Still once in a while you will step down hard on a stone and get a nice stone bruise and that hurts like hell for a few days. Dancing inside you have absolutely no support and even with a couple of sets of really good insoles in them they kill your feet and legs.

ROTFLMAO.

Glad to see it told like it is, not that I think Yvsa would do otherwise.

Unless one has spent all their life walking barefoot or without any arch support, Moccasins and most shoes are not great for extended wear, especially outside or standing on hard floors. Many people's feet aren't acustomed or even genetically pre-determined to take it. I think that is why so many people have back problems nowdays, they are wearing inappropriate shoes.

Just like people with weak eyes aren't doomed because they can get eyeglasses, people with goofy feet aren't hosed becauase they can get supportive shoes. Both have been around for a long time.

But for many it is hard to find a pair of shoes/boots that fit right. And expensive. Wide, narrow, and extra wide doesn't cut it. For many both feet aren't the same size. Arches are different. There aren't many companies and stores willing to meet the needs of those who aren't in the center of the foot distribution. Or even make something that lasts. Lots of the crap out nowdays can't even be resoled, let alone rebuilt.

Here's two places that make boots/shoes the old-fashioned way, like they did when peoples lives or livelyhoods depended on them. Some people's still do.

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White's

http://www.whitesboots.com/boots_sub.php?request=category&p_id=White's+Boots

Nick's

http://www.nicksboots.com/arch.htm

The above link has a picture of what a good boot looks like inside, from there one can find links to the rest of the site.

If I was going to spend big bux on boots/shoes, and it is one of the first things I'd do if I had the bux, I'd get a black pair of smooth-leather packers with leather sole for dress/office and a brown pair with shallow vibram for the rest of the time. Or maybe White's semi-dress in black for dress.

If I worked on the woods, I get one of those models.

That should cover everthing except court sports and some boating for many years as long as you're willing to take care of them and get them rebuilt when needed.

Maybe not real stylish, but what does that mean if they are going to last 10-15 years? A heel and a real arch isn't only for riding horses, other wise they wouldn't be found on things like logging boots. When I did that summers, finally finding a pair of logger's boots in a narrow size to purchase taught me that the arch and heel is very important. Though they weren't the best quality and I'd beaten the crap out of them, I'm often sorry I let them go instead of getting them repaired. A layer of squishy rubber or plastic is a poor substitute for properly construction of footwear.

Boots/shoes like this are hard to find, but Drew's Boots has a decent selection. You need to find somebody that understands how to fit people with boots and shoes and they are as almost as scarce as the people who know how the make them the old-fashioned way. Most places just know how to move something out of the store.

http://drewsboots.com/packers.htm

Getting some really properly fitted footwear is tops on my list for spending money I don't have.
I don't mind wearing cheap rags, as long as the pockets don't have holes, but if I'm on my feet a good pair of supportive shoes pretty important.

babble, babble....rant over.
 
Yes, pretty neat link.

I once had a pair of super-ply tire sandals....with alligator-skin straps. Handmade. The sole was almost 1" thick (truck tires) and had a natural curve to it (of course...;)). Not the most comfy sandals out there, but when I was trying to stay balanced on rocks/mud/etc., sure came in handy.

(not a hippie, though...:()
 
Didn't natives make good use of these kind of sandals during our stay in Viet Nam?
 
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