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The temptation was too strong, shipping costs notwithstanding. I shall soon own a Delica again.
If it makes any difference they had a para3 tested in m390 at 59.6, but the delica is made in a different factory than the Para 3.
Think I saw a pm2 at around 60hrc once.
Either way I'm not wasting any money on sub 61hrc m390 unless it's ht process has been validated via cut testing. I think it's a stupid trend when most companies release a super popular steel and it doesn't perform as well as the base steel they offer ie s30v. Cause they skimped on the ht because the mass market won't tell a difference.
I mean it has alot more chromium for stainlessness... But lol 58hrc ish for a premium price, no thanks. This is a problem with most of the companies making these "premium" steel sprint runs.
For the most part they do have a great mass production heat treatment. The m390 not so much, tested independently. Again it's not just a spyderco thing. Nearly all the companies are heat treating this type of steel to performance levels of s30v in there standard lineup.If you think Spyderco skimps on heat treat, I think you have no idea what you're talking about. Seriously. Spyderco has almost always had phenominal HT. I'm sure there is one here or there that makes it out but I highly doubt that is the norm.
How do you know they HT below 60? Source please?
For the most part they do have a great mass production heat treatment. The m390 not so much, tested independently. Again it's not just a spyderco thing. Nearly all the companies are heat treating this type of steel to performance levels of s30v in there standard lineup.
As mentioned one of them was 62hrc and that's from spyderco and the only one at that hrc from all the the manufacturers that have this steel that have been tested.
So yea you can have blind faith in things and give your hard earned money for it. That's on you.
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Video is about 3v thing but still goes for this.
What is MAP?Very high prices (much higher than MAP) and no returns.
if your paying extra for a steel that doesnt have performance over s30v... then why are you buying it?
Spyderco is averaging 60.775, which I'd say is pretty darn good both on its own and beats an international and US "industry averages" so far by 1.675 and 1.275 points, respectively.
Nice post. IMO, Spyderco has done more than any company in terms of bringing steels to market and they're known for good heat treatment including achieving the target RC.
Mo2 Other companies may not deliver but this is the Spyderco subforum and you're spreading false information.
Let's see how this new Delica tests out.
What is MAP?
No false info.
...the m390 in spydercos smaller knives is usually 58hrc.
The temptation was too strong for me too. I ve always used Enduras instead of Delicas, even though I like the feel of the Delica in the store. And I ve mostly had zdp steel on my Enduras. But the idea of m390 on the Delica seems great. I ll trust Spyderco s heat treatment just like I always have. Sal seems to have too great an interest in different blade steels not to mandate a decent heat treatment on his knives. IMHO.The temptation was too strong, shipping costs notwithstanding. I shall soon own a Delica again.
That's been my point all along,esp.w/ m390 Spyderco has been doing good on k390,rex45 and some others as far as hrc goes ,so that's good .Lately it's getting to the point for me,instead of spending big $$ on knives with experimental steels are the steels that take very keen edges with decent edge retention are more important, the Maxamet for me is like the best of both worlds.
if your paying extra for a steel that doesnt have performance over s30v... then why are you buying it?
Thank you I’ll have to remember that.Minimum Advertised Price - manufacturers will sometimes set a minimum price at which their dealers are allowed to advertise their products for. The idea is to protect smaller dealers from larger, higher-volume dealers that can get by on lower margins, or maybe even negative margins for a time if they're trying to drive smaller competitors out of business. Sometimes it's also used to keep prices higher than what the market might naturally set in order to cultivate an image of a more premium brand/product.
I think Benchmade, Spyderco, and ZT all use MAP now. Benchmade's introduction probably caused the largest kerfuffle on here if you want to search for more discussion.
Note that from Spyderco's perspective there's no problem advertising above MAP - just below it. But it in effect creates a price floor across most dealers, so anyone charging above it stands out.
It generally doesn't apply to models once they're discontinued, and since it's technically only minimum advertised price, sales can still happen at lower prices.
In this case, BBS is one of the few dealers that often charges above MAP, which can be frustrating when they've got an exclusive and there's no other dealers to purchase from.
Finest Delicas I have ever handled.