New Gerber Mark II copy from MAC? Anyone have one?

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I'm a little late to the party, but apparently over the winter MAC (the guys who import Tisas firearms from Turkey) started selling a reproduction of the Gerber Mark II. The early style from the '60s. Out of stock right now but a few people online did buy some. Does anyone here own one? Opinions? I can't figure out where or by whom it's made. Blade looks a little wonky.
 
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I'm a little late to the party, but apparently over the winter MAC (the guys who import Tisas firearms from Turkey) started selling a reproduction of the Gerber Mark II. The early style from the '60s. Out of stock right now but a few people online did buy some. Does anyone here own one? Opinions? I can't figure out where or by whom it's made. Blade looks a little wonky.

A few of the guys on AR15.com have bought them, and the reviews have been very positive, but very short, the usual "great for the money" type stuff.

https://sdsimports.com/mac-mk-ii-knife/ .

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Looks decent, if a little too wasp waisted.
 
You know, I'm not usually a fan of "homage" types of knives, but being that Gerber only offers the MKii with the serrated edge, this kinda makes sense. A wasp waist and a cat tongue finish is welcome.

It's interesting that they modified the tang to make it more robust. These knives tend to break at the tip or snap off a wing of the guard if someone throws them at a tree over and over. The stubby glued in tang is perfectly fine for stabbing enemy sentinels in the neck.
 
Interesting. Compared to the original I feel like the blade's too narrow and the grip looks glossy instead of textured. Edit: I gather the grip is based more on the gray armorhide Mark IIs than the cat's tongue.

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By the way, I've never seen it mentioned on BF but the Fox Veleno is very similar to the 2000s-era Mark II.
 
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"Close, but no cigar." As has been said, the wasp-waist is too narrow and the handle is just wrong.

Not a clone. More like a second cousin once-removed.
 
I ordered one and I have some originals so we will see. Right off the bat there are a couple of comments I can make. The blade is 440C not the original L6 and is not forged. The wasp waist is not necessarily that different because all the early Gerber Mark II's were hand ground and there was a fair amount of variation. The handle is painted gray and not the original Cat's Tongue weld applied steel. I would say that it looks pretty good in the pictures but when I get one in hand next week I will give a more objective comparison. At any rate it looks better than the latest version that Geber made. It is the most like a 1969 to 1971 Gerber Mark II's not the early originals. At $100 it could be a user that you would not feel that bad about messing up or ditching in a dicey situation.

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Photo credit for Gerber Pictures to website - Military Carry Knives
 
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I ordered one and I have some originals so we will see. Right off the bat there are a couple of comments I can make. The blade is 440C not the original L6 and is not forged. The wasp waist is not necessarily that different because all the early Gerber Mark II's were hand ground and there was a fair amount of variation. The handle is painted gray and not the original Cat's Tongue weld applied steel. I would say that it looks pretty good in the pictures but when I get one in hand next week I will give a more objective comparison. At any rate it looks better than the latest version that Geber made. It is the most like a 1969 to 1971 Gerber Mark II's not the early originals. At $100 it could be a user that you would not feel that bad about messing up or ditching in a dicey situation.

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Photo credit for Gerber Pictures to website - Military Carry Knives

Unfortunate they didn't use the 420HC that Gerber was last using. It proved incredibly tough when the JoeX guy tested it.

I'd personally feel bad about messing up or ditching such a knife lol.
 
Unfortunate they didn't use the 420HC that Gerber was last using. It proved incredibly tough when the JoeX guy tested it.

I'd personally feel bad about messing up or ditching such a knife lol.
I prefer the original forged L6 blades or the S30V used in the 70th Anniversary Mark II, but for only $100 I will take the 440C. As far as messing this remake knife up or ditching it, well again it's better than doing that with a vintage Mark II, which may not be able to be replaced.
 
Here are some of my Gerber Mark II's

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Are those the Cutlery Shoppe editions? I've put together a little Mark II collect by accident; I'll have to get some pics of it. I like the steel on the 70th Anniversary model but construction-wise it's based on the 2008+ Mark II that isn't built like the older ones. I like the 20th Anniversary because it's nearly a 1:1 replica of the original.
 
Are those the Cutlery Shoppe editions? I've put together a little Mark II collect by accident; I'll have to get some pics of it. I like the steel on the 70th Anniversary model but construction-wise it's based on the 2008+ Mark II that isn't built like the older ones. I like the 20th Anniversary because it's nearly a 1:1 replica of the original.
The one on the left is a 20th Anniversary and the one in the middle is a Cutlery Shoppe model, and the black one is also a 20th. The 20th Anniversary knives are probably the most faithful to the original knives except for the markings, sword logo and serial number stamps, and the blade is not forged L6, also the sheath is different in a couple of ways. Here is another picture of a few of them.

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The one on the left is a 20th Anniversary and the one in the middle is a Cutlery Shoppe model, and the black one is also a 20th. The 20th Anniversary knives are probably the most faithful to the original knives except for the markings, sword logo and serial number stamps, and the blade is not forged L6, also the sheath is different in a couple of ways. Here is another picture of a few of them.

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God Mark 1s are beautiful.
 
OK, I got this Mac MkII in today and the first thing that comes to mind is that it is "OK" for $100, which is nothing in the vintage Gerber Mark II world. A middle of the road condition Vietnam era 1970 through 1975 will bring a minimum of $500 and a good condition 1965 through 1969 Gerber Mark II is going to cost as much as $2500. It is a knife that originally retailed for about $20 in 1965, but then the minimum wage at that time was $1.25. With a minimum wage of $16 today (using the same cost to Min wage ratio) that makes the current retail for one about $256. So, even though there are differences in this knife; a retail price of $100 is not too bad.

I have been collecting Gerber Mark II's, at different levels of interest, since the 1970's. I have had one from almost every production year between 1966 and 1980 at some point but not many of the really special ones like the color handle models in Yellow, Orange, or Gold. Now I just have a few that I like and are not that expensive. I traded away the high dollar and most of the rare models that I used to own. So , I am using a few that are pretty close to the originals and / or have similar features to the MAC MKII knife.

First let's look at what the Mac MkII knife is. Dimensionally it is a fairly good copy of a Gerber Mark II knife from the 1969 - 1970 period, but between the materials, handle paint, blade finish, and blade length it is easy to tell the difference. Here are a few pictures then I will go down some of the specifics.

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The Box is nice.

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I am going to break this comparison down to the knife and then the sheath and within those categories I will talk about appearance, materials, construction and dimensions. Let look at the blade first. The Mac MkII has a blade made of 440C. The Gerber models started with a blade made of Forged L6 and have had others down through the years and in different special models which include g round L6, 440C, 440A, 420HC, 154CM, and S70V. The bead blasted finish of the blade on this MAC MkII is one area that greatly deviates from the original Gerber MkII's which generally have a hand ground finish running longitudinally along the blade, but the latest model was black coated.
The dimensions and blade shape are a bit different between the MAC and the Gerber. The older models were all hand ground and therefore the blade shape and dimensions had some variations but later models were CNC machined, so they were very consistent. I had a couple over the years that had some blade grinds odd enough that I sent pictures to Gerber to verify that they were original and they all were. That being said, the MAC knife has a very narrow waist grind to it, about 0.013" smaller than a 20th Anniversary model and 0.008" less than a 70th Anniversary model, but I have seen some old knives that were very narrow. The width and thickness of the blade at the bulge is about the same on the MAC Knife versus the Gerber 70th Anniversary model MkII. One disappointing thing is that the MAC Knife blade is shorter than any of my Gerber Mark II's and at the most about .027" shorter than at least one of my Gerber Mk II's. The MAC Knife was about the same thickness and width at the ricasso. One advantage, according to the manufacturer, is that the blade tang, which is inserted into the handle is longer than the Gerber's.

The handle is close to the same dimensions as the MkII's with the Cat's Tongue handles like the 20th Anniversary model. It differs a bit more when compared to the thicker Armorhide handles like the 1976 model that I compared it to. The cast aluminum handles are going to have some variance just due to the casting process and the differences in how that was performed in the 1970's versus today. I did notice that the groove in the handle between the gray grip section and the black fingerguard section was shallower on the Mac MkII. The color of the paint on the Mac Knife did seem lighter than my 1976 model but that may also be due to the age of the Gerber.

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One pretty disappointing part about the MAC Knife was that the blade was (in the immortal words of Foghorn Leghorn) about as sharp as a bowling ball. In this picture you can see me holding the weight of the MAC knife in my fingers by the blade edge. I would not do this with any of my Gerber MKII's. In the second picture I am lightly touching the edge on one of my 20th Anniversary MkII's and I felt a bit at risk doing that.

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The sheaths are similar in general shape and design but that is as far as it goes. They are different in tanning, color, thickness of material (the mac Sheath is actually a bit thicker), overall length, rivet style and material. The strap comes from the left, like the later Gerber knives and the edges of the leather are not detailed like any of the Gerber leather sheaths. Mac did not include any leather or other lie down or lanyard thongs, but they did put a wire military belt hook, unlike some pictures that I have seen of previous models.

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I have posted as many pictures as this post will allow so I will stop here. I think I have covered a lot of the details I wanted to but certainly have forgotten to mention some things. If there is something else that you would like to know about these knives, please post a comment / question and I will try to answer them. And if you just want me to post more pictures of any of these knives let me know and I will try to do that as well. Thanks for looking.

Regards, Vincent
 
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That's a fantastic review, thanks. The waist on the MAC knife and its transition to the ricasso looks ridiculous so I don't think this'd be on my shopping list. I have a 1970 error Mark II with a short narrow blade, and a 70th anniversary model with its slightly odd blade and this looks worse than either. If they reissued this thing with a better blade profile I'd totally be in for $100.
 
That's a fantastic review, thanks. The waist on the MAC knife and its transition to the ricasso looks ridiculous so I don't think this'd be on my shopping list. I have a 1970 error Mark II with a short narrow blade, and a 70th anniversary model with its slightly odd blade and this looks worse than either. If they reissued this thing with a better blade profile I'd totally be in for $100.
I have seen old Gerber MkII's that look about the same as the MAC, but I agree. I think if they changed the programing parameters slightly it would not only make the blade wider at the waist but a bit longer and I believe both are needed. If this had been done and they were able to actually put an edge on it I would get more of them. I think I can get an acceptable edge on this one so it should be OK. I will also try to stain the sheath.
 
I got one several months ago. It came with the handle separated from the tang... it is epoxied in, and for whatever reason the epoxy didn't set. The company sent me a return label and had another out to me as soon as I called them.

Never had a REAL Gerber. This looks pretty sturdy, though, after getting one which was put together right. The scabbard is pretty nice, too. Sharp? Not really, but it's sharp enough to do what it is designed to do and that isn't bushcrafting.

Anyone know where these are manufactured and/or by whom?
 
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