New type belt grinder? Uses 2x36" belt

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TANGUS

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Went to my local Woodcraft store this past weekend and saw something unusual. This was an accessory you could attach to the right side of most bench grinders (mine is a Craftsman 1/3 hp). This accessory is a "belt grinder", built quite heavily with a rubber wheel. The belt is a 2x36. It even has a 7" disc sander attached. The hook up took about an hour and it runs fine. (complete with tracking adjustments). Made in Australia. The only problem I can see is the availability in the future for the 2/36" belt in various grits and it runs at high rpm's. Purchase price is $159. Has anyone else had any experience with these?

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Tangus,
I've never heard of a 2x36 belt. But, here is a suggestion on how to get belts. Split a 4x36 in half. Or, contact Industrial Abrasives. www.industrialabrasives.com

They carry most all common size belts(including 4x36) and will even special make belts of the size you need.

I have used their belts for years and can get @ 3 blades/belt at a cost of under $2/belt.(unless they have come up in price!)
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Craig Blankenship
Blankenship Knives
http://www.blankenship-knives.com
 
I just checked their website. The price for the 4x36 belt is $35.95 for their everlast belts. This is the price for a dozen belts,but you get another dozen free. So really you are getting 2 dozen for $35.95. That is $1.50/belt! They go up to 400 grit and are aluminum oxide.

Check them out. They are the only belts I use.
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Craig Blankenship
Blankenship Knives
http://www.blankenship-knives.com
 
Tangus, could this easily be adapted to run off an electric motor? Can you post a pic? This could be an interesting alternative in building grinders.

Jake
 
Jake, that's what I thought when I saw it. Again the only downside I have seen so far is the wide availability of the 2x36" belts. In the installation with a generic electric motor is the connection to the grinder assembly. There is three holes on the outer cover that lines up with a generic template that bolts up to the attached grinder assembly. I'm not that good with computers to post a picture, but, I'll try. I'll get you the manufacturer name and phone number if you are interested.--

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Tangus, heck yes I'm interested. I've got a 3/4 hp motor off a water well pump thats just dying to power a belt grinder and I don't mind splitting belts. I deal with Industrial Abrasives too and that comes out to about $.75 per belt after splitting.

Jake
 
Tangus, please post that manufacturers' name, address and phone number. I think that there are many of us interested here!
Is Woodcraft a local store or a nationwide deal, I've ever heard of them here in Florida.-Guy T.
 
The information is at home and I'll bring it in to work with me tomorrow and post the address (it is in Australia)(maybe they have a website?). Woodcraft Supply company has a website at www.woodcraft.com but I didn't see this attachment in their "on-line catalogue".

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Tangus

If you are considering a Multi-Tool from PA Products, they are fairly popular here in New Zealand. I am considering getting one for myself. I have not used one yet but I see them in most garages and metal fabrication shops that I have had to visit recently. They all seemed pretty happy with it. They say that the belts track well and the adjustment is easy. The price you have is about the same as what we pay here, once exchange rates are figured in. This unit also has a 7" disk as part of it.

At work, they have the smaller Porta Grind version. It attaches to a 4 1/4" angle grinder and takes 1" belts. They added a bracket so that it can be mounted on a stand. The guys who use it are pretty happy with it too.
 
Garrett, Thanks man for the post! That's it exactly. I did buy it, installed it, but haven't used it yet. I was considering taking it back, only because of the seemingly apparent scarcity of the 2x36 wierd belt size. After seeing the article you posted and reading the post by PSO, this has got to be a jamb up system.

If enough of us buy it then there shouldn't be any problem with someone manufacturing belts for us. Thanks to all!

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I've seen the Grinder. It's called a Multitool. It's a good piece of equipment. Perfect for those Just starting out and don't want to spend $1,400 for a grinder. I think it's only about $259.00
IGF Supply in Ft. Worth Texas carries the grinder. Their website is igfsupply.com.
I believe they carry the 2X36" belts too.
Steve
 
Well, as it so happens, I've got a copy of a catalogue from PA Products right in front of me.

They make a variety of machines designed for mounting onto a bench grinder spindle. The most common one you'll find is the 'Multitool 362 Attachment', which is, as you might guess, a 36 x 2 inch unit. They also make a 482 and 602 attachment, which might solve the belt availability problem. The 36" also features a 7" disc that mounts directly onto the spindle, with the larger models having a 9"

There are a number of accessories for them including sharpening jigs for planer blades and chisels and a mitre table for the grinding disc.

Another option, though I don't know its availability in the USA is the Linishall product. It's the same idea as the Multitool, but a little better built. The drum at the non-contact wheel end of the whole show is a big heavy aluminium flywheel that looks like it would run very smoothly indeed. I actually bought a 48" Linishall attachment last week and will be hooking it up this weekend.

If you want to contact the manufacturers directly, here are the details:
Multitool:
PA Products
6 Barry Avenue
Mortdale NSW 2223
Australia
Phone: +612 579 3569
Fax: +612 579 579 3626

Linishall:
Garrick Herbert
PO Box 151
Mortdale NSW 2223
Phone: +612 534 1244
Fax: +612 534 6932

If people are interested, I can scan the Multitool brochure and e-mail the scans to you. The Linishall one is a marginal faxed copy and I'll not bother with the scan. E-mail me directly if you want that - don't clutter the group with it.

Cheers,
Tim
 
In my earlier post I stated that IGF Supply had the Multitool for $259.00. I called them tonight and it's $149.00. They do have plenty of 2X36" belts to go with it. Give them a call at 1-800-657-8925. Good people to deal with.
Steve
 
In theWoodcraft site look under power tool accessories...motor accessories, it is there @ $159.99.

Jake
 
Hey Forumites, two things to think about. How difficult would it be to alter the thing so it can use 2 by 72" belts??? Also,call G.L. Pearce Abrasives . I'm sure they either carry or will make the 2 by 36" ones for you. The number is 18009380021. Take care!! Michael

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Originally posted by L6STEEL:
Hey Forumites, two things to think about. How difficult would it be to alter the thing so it can use 2 by 72" belts??? {snip} Michael
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Adding a big contact wheel and some kind of spring-loaded idler wheel could take up enough slack to allow 72" belts to be used, I'm pretty sure.

Bear in mind though - the miniumum recommended power for these things in in the region of 3/4 hp. An 8", 1 hp grinder is a good start...

Cheers,
tim
 
FYI, I first learned of the Multitool 362 near the end of last year at my local tool warehouse, The Tool Peddler in Portland, OR.
I looked it over and ran it at their showroom and feel it is very well made and a great tool for new makers and maybe even old makers. I am personally also interested in retrofiting it to run 2x72 belts and to fit it to a motor instead of to my grinder. I am designing a horizontal sander to profile blades, etc. I got all the information from them that I could but moved soon after that so didn't get back to looking at that idea until recently.

In Australia P.A. Products offers:
36"x2" w/7" disc (#362)
36"x4" w/7" disc (#364)
48"x2" w/7" disc (#482)
48"x4" w/7" disc (#484)
48"x2" w/7" disc and a 8" contact wheel (#8cw)
60"x2" w/9" disc (#602)
60"x4" for large 1hp 1" dia shafts

The only model currently available in the US is the #362.

I just got of the phone with a gentleman at H&B Distributors (1-800-660-0880, www.ausmultitool.com).
H&B is the manufacturer and distributor to all retailers in the US of the Multitool sander. He confirmed that the #362 is the only one available in the US at this time but in the near future (possibly as soon as 3-4 months) they may make the #8cw available through a very well known knife supply company. He said they have no plans as of yet to distribute any of the other models very soon.

As far as mounting any of the tools to a plain motor, the information I have from P.A. Products says they can supply all the above models with a TEFC motor (but probably only down under...). I asked the gentleman at H&B about this and he said the the sander arm has to be bolted to something, such as the motor bell end on a grinder (to which the wheel covers are normally attached) and that the motors that P.A. supplies probably have coresponding bolt holes in them. So the trick would be to find a US motor that has the same bolt hole locations on it.

The model that I think would work best for me would be the #602 with its standard 9" disc sander. The 7" disc sander sizes on all the other models is just a little too small to be very useful.

The idea I am kicking around is to bolt a motor to a fabricated metal angle plate and run the motor shaft through the verticle part of the plate and then just drill and tap the verticle part of the plate around the motor shaft, attach the sanders arm set-up to the angle plate, attach the disc sander/drive wheel to the motor shaft and rock and roll. With a little adjusting this should work. It is the same basic design as many other belt sanders.
It's an idea...
Anyway, hope this info is of some use.
Wapiti ursidae8@yahoo.com
 
I called 1-800-660-0880 the Multitool Manufacture I believe, and ordered some literature.

When the sales person asked me where I found out about the product I mentioned Blade Forums and explanined what we are into here.

He asked who posted the link for the multftool and I told him I couldn't remember.

He then asked if I thought it was Koval Knives. I told him no and asked if they were going to carry the grinder attatchment and he said he was filling an order for Koval this week.

I have a feeling this price is going to go up as these people realize a new market in knife makers. Not that Koval will drive up the price but as demand overwhels supply and these people take a look at the other grinders....

I may be off line but I think we should jump on this price quick.

Jim

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