Niolox vs CPMs35vn; which one is tougher?

[y53p]

Which one holds better to hard usage?

 

[ferider]

Compared to CPM-154 or even AEB-L, they are more or less equally “un-tough”.

 

[ace]

S35VN is technically tougher, but it is not super tough, more wear resistant though. AEB-L at higher hardness will give you much more toughness and similar wear resistance as niolox.

 

[y53p]

Compared to CPM-154 or even AEB-L, they are more or less equally “un-tough”.

I mean compared to each other. Also, cpm-154 is as tough as cpm-s35vn.

 

[ace]

I mean compared to each other. Also, cpm-154 is as tough as cpm-s35vn.

Look at the graphs at the end, even though the whole article is good.

S35VN Steel - Properties and How to Heat Treat - Knife Steel Nerds

Information on how S35VN compares with other knife steels and how to best heat treat it for optimal hardness and toughness.

knifesteelnerds.com

 

[ferider]

I mean compared to each other. Also, cpm-154 is as tough as cpm-s35vn.

It’s all more or less noise down there, heat-treat and slight geometry differences will matter more.

 

[y53p]

Look at the graphs at the end, even though the whole article is good.

S35VN Steel - Properties and How to Heat Treat - Knife Steel Nerds

Information on how S35VN compares with other knife steels and how to best heat treat it for optimal hardness and toughness.

knifesteelnerds.com

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From this article by the same guy (graph under stainless steel section), it’s a slightly newer post than the one you linked.

Knife Steels Rated by a Metallurgist - Toughness, Edge Retention, and Corrosion Resistance - Knife Steel Nerds

Steel Metallurgist Larrin Thomas uses tests of knife steels to rate the steels and explains the factors that control performance.

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Cpm-154 is rated to be as tough as cpm-s35vn, with the latter also having better edge retention and corrosion resistance than the former.

 

[ace]

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From this article by the same guy (graph under stainless steel section), it’s a slightly newer post than the one you linked.

Knife Steels Rated by a Metallurgist - Toughness, Edge Retention, and Corrosion Resistance - Knife Steel Nerds

Steel Metallurgist Larrin Thomas uses tests of knife steels to rate the steels and explains the factors that control performance.

knifesteelnerds.com

Cpm-154 is rated to be as tough as cpm-s35vn, with the latter also having better edge retention and corrosion resistance than the former.

Sure, but you were asking about Niolox vs S35VN. If you are open to any steel, MagnaCut would be better than any of the mentioned ones as a general purpose knife steel. It also really depends on what it is you are looking for as there are steels that excel in some attributes vs the others.

 

[y53p]

Sure, but you were asking about Niolox vs S35VN. If you are open to any steel, MagnaCut would be better than any of the mentioned ones as a general purpose knife steel. It also really depends on what it is you are looking for as there are steels that excel in some attributes vs the others.

You’re not the first to suggest magnacut. The problem is that thing is weighed in gold in folders and small fixed blades, let alone in large fixed blades, where toughness actually matters. I have seen no production-made magnacut large fixed blades (say 7 or more inches), and even if they were there, though I think you’d mainly be able to get them custom made, I might as well buy a couple other house and pay a few more mortgages. I’m not entirely sure it’s fair to compare either Niolox, or s35vn, for that matter, to magnacut, considering that the latter is much more expensive than the formerly mentioned steels, and usually doesn’t come in configurations that make its conjunction of toughness and edge retention truly shine and really matter, or at least not so at a reasonable price, or at the very least not at one that is even remotely comparable to knives in Niolox or s35vn.

 

[Chronovore]

You’re not the first to suggest magnacut. The problem is that thing is weighed in gold in folders and small fixed blades, let alone in large fixed blades, where toughness actually matters...

Not really. Check the Exchange. There are plenty of makers offering custom MagnaCut fixed blades at very reasonable prices.

 

[ace]

You’re not the first to suggest magnacut. The problem is that thing is weighed in gold in folders and small fixed blades, let alone in large fixed blades, where toughness actually matters. I have seen no production-made magnacut large fixed blades (say 7 or more inches), and even if they were there, though I think you’d mainly be able to get them custom made, I might as well buy a couple other house and pay a few more mortgages. I’m not entirely sure it’s fair to compare either Niolox, or s35vn, for that matter, to magnacut, considering that the latter is much more expensive than the formerly mentioned steels, and usually doesn’t come in configurations that make its conjunction of toughness and edge retention truly shine and really matter, or at least not so at a reasonable price, or at the very least not at one that is even remotely comparable to knives in Niolox or s35vn.

Steel properties is one thing, availability in production knives is different. I was strictly commenting on steel properties. For example, niolox is not at all common in production knives. I have only seen it in customs. If you have to go custom then choose something else, MagnaCut, Z-wear/cruwear, etc.

In any case depending on what it is you want there are steels that work better for that application. Steel is only a part of a knife anyway and other attributes can play a larger role. What would be good in a folder might not be as good in a large chopper or it might be, just depends on your application.

MagnaCut is usually not that much more expensive than S35VN, just might be less available in production knives, but even then there are at least a few companies using it. In customs, steel price is usually a very small portion of the knife price, so also shouldn't be an issue. Bottom line start with the use for the knife then decide on the steel, not the other way around. I crappy knife in a great steel is still crappy. A well designed knife in a decent steel is still good. S35VN is a good steel and even though MagnaCut is better, you might never see any difference.