Nutnfancy test Cold Steel Chaos

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I'm not a huge fan of Nutn, but he was able to break 2 Cold Steel Chaos blades pretty easily. It happens almost at the end of the video:

[video=youtube;tZjMFdj-pEw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZjMFdj-pEw[/video]


So a few questions, how does this compare to Cold Steel's advertisement on this knife: "The unique "D" ring guard is made from reinforced 6061 aluminum allowing for an incredibly secure and comfortable grip while protecting the hand both from incoming attack and damage while striking or cutting an opponent who's covered in body armor, ammo, flashlights, magazines and gear!"

Hmmmm..........maybe Demko needs to put a tri-ad lock on it?! :)
 
But but but I thought cold steel were unbreakable!

And why not hit it against a rock? It's just as much of an unrealistic test as what cold steel usually puts out am I wrong?

In all seriousness though many other manufacturers had no problem.
 
Sk5 is pretty average carbon steel, slightly tougher than 1095. I suspect it was just too hard and too thin.
 
I think he broke one blade and one aluminum Handguard. I've never had a need to chop rocks with a knife or hammer rock with an aluminum handguard. Anything can be broken if you try hard enough. I've never heard Cold Steel claim to be unbreakable.
 
I think he broke one blade and one aluminum Handguard. I've never had a need to chop rocks with a knife or hammer rock with an aluminum handguard. Anything can be broken if you try hard enough. I've never heard Cold Steel claim to be unbreakable.
I wouldn't trust it for what it was intended for. If it's a trench fighting knife the slate rocks are a little bit softer than body armor that would be worn.

I guess honestly I'm just still sore about the stupid lawsuit. Kind of hypocritical cold steel goes around suing people but yet their own knives break also. Suprise.

It's interesting also that when other people review and test cold steel products they seem to break. However when cold steel does demonstration test we never see them break. So I think it's a good balance looking at when it actually happens what caused it and how to remedy it possibly redesign in the future. Hopefully Cold Steel's taking note.
 
I whacked my Chaos Double Edge on the flat of the blade with a sledge, letting the weight of the hammer do the work, and it took a few tries to break it. I saw the Nutn break on the slate "rocks" a while ago, I guess it depends on the individual item. When it did finally break the blade jettisoned from the break point and got lodged in a tree. I had a Chaos Tanto but I gave that to a friend.

The reason I broke the Chaos DE was because I wanted to create a fist weapon out of the D guard and the Tanto was more capable as a knife than the DE, which is a dagger. So I tried to remove the blade by unscrewing everything on the handle, but the blade was still secured somehow. Thing was permamounted. Then I tried to hacksaw the blade off didnt work (I guess SK5 is tougher than the so-called battle ready sword I hacked threw), so I bashed it into, as Lynn would say, "nothin-ness". Now I got this crazy crude fist weapon. I have enough knives. Ramble ramble.
 
I wouldn't trust it for what it was intended for. If it's a trench fighting knife the slate rocks are a little bit softer than body armor that would be worn.

I guess honestly I'm just still sore about the stupid lawsuit. Kind of hypocritical cold steel goes around suing people but yet their own knives break also. Suprise.

It's interesting also that when other people review and test cold steel products they seem to break. However when cold steel does demonstration test we never see them break. So I think it's a good balance looking at when it actually happens what caused it and how to remedy it possibly redesign in the future. Hopefully Cold Steel's taking note.

I've been in my fair share of hand-to-hand combat and gun fights and I'd never even consider carrying a knife like that for battle. While it's considered a "Trench Knife" by design, they are not being carried in the trenches these days.
 
Didn't listen the audio. What was the point of hitting rocks with knives?
 
I've been in my fair share of hand-to-hand combat and gun fights and I'd never even consider carrying a knife like that for battle. While it's considered a "Trench Knife" by design, they are not being carried in the trenches these days.
By the way I agree with you 100% I was just going based off of what cold steel advertises on their website
 
Didn't listen the audio. What was the point of hitting rocks with knives?

Cold steel has done this often in their proof videos, so why not do it to test toughness of the steel. The spine should have been able to take it. The nighthawk took it no problem
 
I thought it was just supposed to be a fun, goofy video. Conclusion: The Chaos makes a terrible hammer.
 
I thought it was just a goofy video. The Chaos makes a terrible hammer.


Lol, no joke. I can agree with the fact that the first blade should have stood up to the spin striking the rocks but there's a reason that the handle is aluminum and that is simply to cut down on weight. There's also a reason aluminum isn't a metal used in hammer and axe heads and that is because it will break. While it would be effective in protecting the hand or using for a punch, common sense would seem that it would not work well for hammering rocks.
 
Disappointed in the bayonet.

The thing is he made an effort to hit an edge of the rock with it while the following knife hits only the flat surface of a rock.
Could that be the reason for the breakage?
 
Oh so NOW knives aren't supposed to be used as hammers...Yet in every other thread everyone preaches how their Cold Steel can handle any of the tough guy tasks they use their knives for and just drill that in our heads day after day.

I'm just teasing :D Just funny to see how responses suddenly turn to common sense to defend the brand and nevermind all those testing and Demko versus videos where Cold Steel never loses. As if Cold Steel will ever publish a video of their knives breaking or losing. They aren't sprinkled with pixie dust after all.
 
Oh so NOW knives aren't supposed to be used as hammers...Yet in every other thread everyone preaches how their Cold Steel can handle any of the tough guy tasks they use their knives for and just drill that in our heads day after day.

I'm just teasing :D Just funny to see how responses suddenly turn to common sense to defend the brand and nevermind all those testing and Demko versus videos where Cold Steel never loses. As if Cold Steel will ever publish a video of their knives breaking or losing. They aren't sprinkled with pixie dust after all.

Exactly! spot on
 
I'm not a huge fan of Nutn,

What about Cold Steel knives? Are you a huge fan of those? Because you're posting this in the Cold Steel subforum, where, generally speaking, proponents of Cold Steel knives congregate to talk about them.

but he was able to break 2 Cold Steel Chaos blades pretty easily. It happens almost at the end of the video:

Did you watch the same video that I did? He didn't break any Chaos blades, let alone two. He managed to put a crack in the aluminum knuckle guard by having his friend smash it against a rock like a hammer. So what?

There was no catastrophic failure, no broken blades--but you didn't mention that in your post. You also didn't mention that the thinly ground, double-edged Chaos blade took the same abuse (thirty-plus full-strength whacks against stones) as all the other single-edged blades and survived without issue. (Try doing that with a Gerber Mark II or an original LF&C Model 1918 and let me know how they fare.) Nor did you mention that the San Mai Recon Tanto passed the "test" unscathed. You also failed to note that Cold Steel replaced this guy's broken Chaos (which he broke doing the same moronic nonsense) with a brand new knife without question, despite the fact that he clearly destroyed it outside of the warranty's abuse parameters.

So, you posted this video in the Cold Steel subforum solely to castigate Cold Steel even though the video actually shows the company and its products in a pretty good light. In other words, you're a troll. Do you have nothing productive to say?


But but but I thought cold steel were unbreakable!

No, they aren't, nor has Cold Steel ever claimed them to be. No knife (and no thing, for that matter) is unbreakable.


And why not hit it against a rock?

Because it's stupid to do so.


It's just as much of an unrealistic test as what cold steel usually puts out am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong.


I wouldn't trust it for what it was intended for.

So don't. Based on what I saw in the video, I would. It took a beating and was still functional.


If it's a trench fighting knife the slate rocks are a little bit softer than body armor that would be worn.

Oh, is that what the hand guard is for, punching people in their plate armor?


I guess honestly I'm just still sore about the stupid lawsuit. Kind of hypocritical cold steel goes around suing people but yet their own knives break also. Suprise.

Ah, so you really didn't have a point, other than to come into the Cold Steel subforum to complain about a settled lawsuit that didn't involve you in any way and to berate Cold Steel for making products that can be broken through abuse? I see. Thanks for your insight.


So I think it's a good balance looking at when it actually happens what caused it and how to remedy it possibly redesign in the future. Hopefully Cold Steel's taking note.

Yes, I'm sure they're jumping right on that desperate demand for knives that can break rocks. That's your idea of a responsive knife company? Some idiot comes up with a new way to abuse a knife and Cold Steel is supposed to accommodate that? This isn't the Busse subforum.


Cold steel has done this often in their proof videos,

Which Proof videos? I've seen them all and don't remember anything like this "test." Pommels breaking cinderblocks? Yes. Blades breaking rocks? No.


so why not do it to test toughness of the steel.

Because it's stupid to do so.


The spine should have been able to take it.

The spine did take it, on both the Chaos and the Recon! Didn't anyone actually watch the video?!

Wow! I'm all for discourse on the pros and cons of knives, knife designs, and knife companies. But the unfiltered bile that is spewed against Cold Steel on this subforum gets really out of hand sometimes. This thread is a great example of that!

-Steve
 
What about Cold Steel knives? Are you a huge fan of those? Because you're posting this in the Cold Steel subforum, where, generally speaking, proponents of Cold Steel knives congregate to talk about them.



Did you watch the same video that I did? He didn't break any Chaos blades, let alone two. He managed to put a crack in the aluminum knuckle guard by having his friend smash it against a rock like a hammer. So what?

There was no catastrophic failure, no broken blades--but you didn't mention that in your post. You also didn't mention that the thinly ground, double-edged Chaos blade took the same abuse (thirty-plus full-strength whacks against stones) as all the other single-edged blades and survived without issue. (Try doing that with a Gerber Mark II or an original LF&C Model 1918 and let me know how they fare.) Nor did you mention that the San Mai Recon Tanto passed the "test" unscathed. You also failed to note that Cold Steel replaced this guy's broken Chaos (which he broke doing the same moronic nonsense) with a brand new knife without question, despite the fact that he clearly destroyed it outside of the warranty's abuse parameters.

So, you posted this video in the Cold Steel subforum solely to castigate Cold Steel even though the video actually shows the company and its products in a pretty good light. In other words, you're a troll. Do you have nothing productive to say?




No, they aren't, nor has Cold Steel ever claimed them to be. No knife (and no thing, for that matter) is unbreakable.




Because it's stupid to do so.




Yes, you are wrong.




So don't. Based on what I saw in the video, I would. It took a beating and was still functional.




Oh, is that what the hand guard is for, punching people in their plate armor?




Ah, so you really didn't have a point, other than to come into the Cold Steel subforum to complain about a settled lawsuit that didn't involve you in any way and to berate Cold Steel for making products that can be broken through abuse? I see. Thanks for your insight.




Yes, I'm sure they're jumping right on that desperate demand for knives that can break rocks. That's your idea of a responsive knife company? Some idiot comes up with a new way to abuse a knife and Cold Steel is supposed to accommodate that? This isn't the Busse subforum.




Which Proof videos? I've seen them all and don't remember anything like this "test." Pommels breaking cinderblocks? Yes. Blades breaking rocks? No.




Because it's stupid to do so.




The spine did take it, on both the Chaos and the Recon! Didn't anyone actually watch the video?!

Wow! I'm all for discourse on the pros and cons of knives, knife designs, and knife companies. But the unfiltered bile that is spewed against Cold Steel on this subforum gets really out of hand sometimes. This thread is a great example of that!

-Steve
Ok Steve I can tell you put a lot of time into this response. So I have nothing against cold steel other than their idiotic lawsuit and dull blades. I've been given a couple of their knives as gifts and I'll use them like anything else. Edge retention has always been pretty crummy on them though. I do have a Cold Steel kukri that chops pretty good but only after I put a new edge on it on the belt sander.

One problem is that the sub-forums tend to be full of fanboys. That's not the deal though just to have a requirement to speak only good about a company. It's a place for honest feedback which sometimes hurts. You are correct this is not the Busse subforum, he actually cares when one of his knives breaks.

The handguard on the chaos blade broke with very little force. Nutnfancy also has a different video mind you that showed a broken blade. That's two that have had problems with very little sustain force. part of the problem honestly is that cold steel shows their test videos that never break their blades.
 
Ok Steve I can tell you put a lot of time into this response. So I have nothing against cold steel other than their idiotic lawsuits and dull blades. I've been given a couple of their knives as gifts and I'll use them like anything else. Edge retention has always been pretty crummy on them though. I do have a Cold Steel kukri that chops pretty good but only after I put a new edge on it on the belt sander.

I appreciate your recognition of the fact that I was presenting a rational dialog and not simply trying to start an argument. I will take your response in the same vein.

I'm sorry that you've had issues with Cold Steel's edge retention. I haven't had that experience myself. It looks like the CTS-XHP, CTS-BD1, and 3V models they're introducing this year hopefully will resolve your complaint. Cold Steel just released a video in which they made 6000 hemp-rope cuts with one XHP knife.

By the way, not to nitpick, but your original post in this thread had nothing to do with lawsuits or edge retention.

One problem is that the sub-forums tend to be full of fanboys.

Great. Whose problem is that anyway, and why exactly is it a problem?

That's not the deal though just to have a requirement to speak only good about a company. It's a place for honest feedback which sometimes hurts.

I've never seen anyone on this subforum ever even hint that you couldn't speak ill of Cold Steel, despite the fact that plenty of people get on here to do nothing but bash the knives, the company, the owner, the videos, the ad copy, the logo, the motto.... (No, I'm not exaggerating.) I'm just glad we have all of these informed, compassionate people to set us "fanboys" straight.


You are correct this is not the Busse subforum, he actually cares when one of his knives breaks.

Right, and Lynn Thompson doesn't. Thanks, I'll remember that when I need an expensive knife with no sheath included in the purchase price. You speak as though you know Jerry Busse. Do you? Because I've spoken to him, as well as to Lynn Thompson. They're BOTH very passionate about their knives and their companies. Please spare me the vague generalities meant to imply contrasting attitudes.


The handguard on the chaos blade broke with very little force. Nutnfancy also has a different video mind you that showed a broken blade. That's two that have had problems with very little sustain force.

You and I have very different ideas about what constitutes "very little force."


part of the problem honestly is that cold steel shows their test videos that never break their blades.

Again, whose problem is this and why is it a problem? What company puts out videos showing its blades breaking? Is that supposed to be some kind of marketing strategy?! So, if I hear you correctly, you're saying that you'll start buying Cold Steel knives (as opposed to just receiving them as gifts) when Cold Steel starts breaking its blades on video. Duly noted.

For my part, I've generally found that NutnFancy tends to have favorable impressions of Cold Steel products. Even in this video, he didn't make an issue of the crack in the hand guard. You can try to make a big deal out of two knives breaking when struck repeatedly against rocks if you'd like, but frankly I think it's hardly a ringing condemnation of Cold Steel's quality.

-Steve
 
After those ridiculous lock strength videos and the CRKT lawsuit ........who cares about Cold Steel
 
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