old duck decoy

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I found a sack of old duck decoys in the barn at my grandparents house, which were most likely used by Grandpa more than 25 years ago. There were 5 decoys, in fair condition, some were missing heads and others had holes in them. There were 1 or 2 good ones I'd like to fix up. I don't know what they're made out of, but it's not plastic or foam. They're hollow. The coloring is faded, so I'd like to paint it back up. Any suggestions what to use? I think L.L. Bean's got some decoy paints, will those work?
On the bottom, it says "Victor Trap Co., Victor Veri-Lites".
 
I wouldn't paint over those -- they might be worth some money, and they're vintage so they deserve to look "salty." ;)
 
:D :D :p Those are probably worth money, they're old, and a hundred other reasons I haven't thought up yet. They could be worth some money, look at all the Decoy museums in MD right now! Off the top of my head, I know of the Havre de Grace Decoy museum, one near Salsbury and one on 113 in DE. I would look around on the net for the closest museum to you, find one of their curators or experts, and get him to take a look at them for you. If they're still in pretty good shape, the experts should be happy to take a look.

Don't treat them like gold just yet, but if they're not worth all that much, they're still Maryland history, one of the few things MD has going for it these days. Hell, next August 8th, Monday afternoon, drive up to Perry Hall MD for the Chesapeake Knife club meeting, I'd love to take a look at them.
 
The decoys are most likely made of a Paper Mache. Not the type you make out of newspaper but a pulp base with casine or resin binders. The Victor decoys where fairly low end and don't have a lot of cash value. An ebay search shows them selling for a low of $3 and as high as $65 for a single. If you repair or repaint them it will kill whatever collectors value they do have. However you will have the connection of hunting with your grandfathers decoys. You decide which is worth more. My take, repair the worst of them and hunt them and put the best two away as is. That way you get the best of both worlds. You can use cheese cloth with soaked fiberglass resin to make repairs. You can mold new heads with it or dutchman an exsiting head on to the decoy.

Patrick
 
new decoys are cheap -- those old "cardboard" ones look great around the house.
 
Heyyy I never said I was going to paint them (did I?), and my art skills aren't that great since I got kicked out of art class for that "innapropriate" drawing of a, well never mind.

But thanks for the heads up, I was just wondering what to do with them, they've been collecting dust up on my bookcase. The others are up in the loft of the barn, next to some old deer antlers. I'm not planning on selling them, they've got sentimental value. I'm just looking to clean them up a little.
By the way, I found them at my grandparents house in Copake Falls, NY, near the borders of MA and Connecticut or Vermont.
 
Took this off another board. They may be able to help:





Do you have old wooden duck decoys?
Do you want to know their value?
Do you want this information for free?

Old Wooden Decoy are Treasure !

Its been 35 years of studying & helping people with decoys.

Old hunters have priceless stories but they could have priceless old wooden duck decoys.

Your old wooden duck goose even shorebird decoys may be priceless to you for sentamental reasons or could be some of the valuable antique decoys the millionair collectors are hoping to find.

Decoy History
The history of decoys in North America dates back at lest 2000 years. Wow most people didn’t realize that . Decoys are noted even further back in other parts of the world like early Egypt. The oldest decoys in North America are housed in the Smithsonian Museum. These unique bird replicas were found in a Arizona cave and were date with native pottery pieces found along side. Our traditional wooden decoys were primarily made in the mid 1800's to the mind 1900's .
In the last 100 years "decoy" means many things to many different people.

To most is an artificial duck or bird carved of wood.
To hunters it is a tool required for successful waterfowling.
To Collectors it means a desired folk art.
To Antique dealers it is a supplemented income and a wonderful accent to country furniture.
To Steven Lloyd it is his life long study and passion.

If your decoy could talk !
A famous saying used when talking decoys is
"If only this old bird could talk, imagine the stories it would tell" .
If you have enjoyed your decoys in your home or cottage, THAT’S GREAT but I’m sure you have wondered what all of us decoy owners have.
What about the history ?
Who made this decoy ?
Where is it from ?
Where has it been used ?
How did it get here ?
Why was it made this way ?
What kind of duck is it ?
Who owned it ?
Is it documented?
Who’s initials are on the bottom ?
Is it valuable ?
Would a museum want my decoy ?
Most of these questions can be answered, some easier than others.

You can start by sending a picture of your decoys to Steven. As a well seasoned world expert and Canada’s foremost Authority on decoys he can often answer many of these question with glance of your decoy.

The Word " Decoy "
1 a bird or mammal, or an imitation of one, used by hunters to lure game.
2 a thing used to mislead or lure someone into a trap.
3 a pond from which narrow netted channels lead, into which wild duck may be enticed for capture. verb lure by means of a decoy.

Decoy’s are a functional tool primary that were used with as many as 300 similar blocks to lure in wild birds to excited waiting hunters.

To day, many decoys are still used for hunting but many thousands have been retired and are being used in Antique shops to lure in wild decoy collectors, excited about finding the next treasure.
Like the early hunters that had different opinions about what was the best decoy and how they should be used .
Today’s collectors have similar opinions on what decoys are treasures or trash.
In the most early days of decoys they were primitively constructed from materials on hand, marsh grass, tamarack, mud, twigs even animal skins. All usually had a few found feathers of wild birds to add color and texture.
From the mid 1800's to 1918 was the glory years of decoys . Thousands of decoys were carved out . The market hunter were in full flight and the demand for wooden decoys was higher than what could be supplied. The were many individual carvers that sold decoys but soon factories took the overflow. The Mason , Dodge, Stevens, Victor, and Peterbourgh Decoy Companies were some of the many ones.

The diehard men hunting day after day, many even in spring and fall. It’s a known fact that many of these outdoors men prided themselves on hitting 3 or more ducks per shot on a regular basis. Then unfortunately for the waterfowl there was the invention of the punt gun. It was like a small canon that was bolted to the duck boat and could shoot dozens per shot.

In these days ducks were an important source of food for early families.
Many for the commercial hunters also sold at market. The folks would go into town and sell the days hunt often by the pair. The ducks were also shipped in barrels by rail to larger centers. In early days it was common in all the upscale restaurant to order a wild duck dinner or in some areas geese, swans, even shorebirds.

Criteria for Evaluation & Appraising Old Decoys
Most collector and investors agree on the following criteria.
1 Condition, as perfect as when it was originally made.
2 Damage, rule of the thumb the more damage the more the value drops.
3 The carver, the decoys of well known carvers often bring higher prices.
4 Documentation, decoys that are documented are usually more desirable
5 Rarity, of the decoy, by specie, construction, or numbers produced.
6 Folk art, unique construction or a creative pose often catches a different eye.7 Matching pairs or sets of birds appeals to many collectors & investors.
8 Museums often have interest in documented & unique decoys.9 Our economy, if things are good in the world decoys price are often up.
10 "A Bird In Hand" is true today as it was years ago. Collectors and researchers like myself often only get one opportunity in a life time to buy a dream decoy. We often have dream a certain bird is still out there. So yes, I have paid much more than market price for a few dream decoys in my collection.


What has happened to the thousands of decoys.
Do these stories sound familiar ?
1 I lent them to a hunting buddy & they never found their way home .
2 I left them in my duck boat on the shore, in the morning they were gone.
3 I once had a great retriever but she love eating the bills off decoys.
Before my great retriever I had great decoys.
4 A great storm came up fast from the northwest and swept them all out to sea.
5 They looked so real they were shot into tooth picks !
6 My great old hollowed body decoys sank !
7 I gave them to my son & nephew.
8 I sold them for $2.00 each, years ago & bought plastics.
9 My wife sold them at her yard sale.
10 I gave them to a friend that liked them.

TRASH OR TREASURE
One mans trash is another’s treasure.
There are many ways of saying it .
My way is FIND OUT WHAT YOU HAVE !

Antique Road Shows ..
There are many different Antique Road Shows in different parts of the world. All have the same intent. To help people with that common dream of knowledge of their old item. All of the millions of people that watch week after week hope that they see a glimpse of an item similar to the one in their den.
Your decoys may very well be that treasure! I have see thousands of old dust, dirty decoys pulled from under cottages, attics of houses, in the loft of boat houses, chopped out of the ice, even pulled from the bottom of lakes, that are very valuable.

My Dad, Grandfather or Uncle made my decoys ..
This is often the case. But more often than not there are a few decoys that were found on the shores by our family member while they were hunting. Many times these are the treasures. Every larger rig (flock) of decoys have these diamonds. Often found in apple baskets, brand sacks or old fish boxes so may decoys are still found in.

Decoy Math
A full basket of decoys may valued from $10.00 to $1,000.00 each.
Looking for the valuable ducks in a basket is tricky.
First use a old saying. " Put all your ducks in a " .
Look for differences. Identify the different species . Look for the more rare species like hooded mergansers, shorebirds, teal, geese, gulls or even early mallards .

Many people have decoys that have been in their family for generations or are from a past love one. I feel it is important to be sensitive in sharing my knowledge while informing the family of the value and history of their decoys.

It's great to have old decoys but it adds so much to the pleasure of owning a fine old decoy when you have details of it's history. I love seeing pictures of your Dad’s or Grandad’s decoys but so often decoys in the rig were made by others. That’s often a good thing ! Many pictures of valuable factory made, Mason decoys have been thought to be made by Dad.. Masons can be worth ,many thousands...
My dream is to help as many people as possible in my life time evaluate their old wooden decoys and to educate folks, city dwellers and county folk, about their decoys, the history and their value.
Please e-mail us any time for a free evaluation of your decoys.

"Decoy Information Centre" \Steven Lloyd 441 Elmwood Drive, Belleville, Ontario, Canada, K8N 4Z6
Please pass on our e-mail to anyone you meet that has old wooden decoys and we will help them at no cost.
lqqklake@aol.com
 
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hawkpatriot said:
I found a sack of old duck decoys in the barn at my grandparents house, which were most likely used by Grandpa more than 25 years ago. There were 5 decoys, in fair condition, some were missing heads and others had holes in them. There were 1 or 2 good ones I'd like to fix up. I don't know what they're made out of, but it's not plastic or foam. They're hollow. The coloring is faded, so I'd like to paint it back up. Any suggestions what to use? I think L.L. Bean's got some decoy paints, will those work?
On the bottom, it says "Victor Trap Co., Victor Veri-Lites".



I have decoys that were used at my Greatgrandfather's hunting Lodge on the N.C. outer banks in the late 1800's .


& some of them are ultra-valuable.




DO NOTHING TO THEM !


Do NOT pick them up by their heads !





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Email me your phone # & let me call you & talk about this. I have a 24/7 phone system & may be able to give you some valuable advice.



Uncle Alan
 
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