Olive oil?

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I wonder if any one has tried olive oil ? It may not be as good in some ways as Ballistol, but is it bad for the horn or wood? I know that it is real good at protecting from oxide as I have made some aluminum mirrors and found out the hard way that most lubes would eat the aluminum faster then it would lap (think grind with big tool). Now I know the Khuk's are a different ball of wax so I ask has some one tried this? I am drawn to it as it is in the camp cook kit, not bad for my health if I use the blade in the kitchen , good for my skin. This just seems easy to me.

The concept of a industrial lube seems a just little nasty to me. Is Ballistol food grade? Am I just being a nut?
Perhaps but with out intent.
 
hi i use olive oil all the time for the very reasons you have allresady stated.
i have had no problem with rusting ect as of yet,and as you point out useing on all types of jobs food being the most important. meal would taste pretty strange with a coating of c40 ect. ha ha. be interested myself if anyone else has had a negative on olive oil use. ;)
 
origin site in Germany describes one original intended use of
ballistol as antiseptic.
They sell there, I think, as a veterinary (internalv & external) medication.
Heard references to using it internally for humans.
No details I'm aware iof.
I think olive oil is a good option,
but Yvsa will tell you his experience shows
that it does get gummy after a while.

I knew a bookbinder/restorer that swore by olive oil
as the only good treatment for leather bindings.
 
perhaps Yvsa would tell how long I would need to let the dust bunnies have there way with it before it gets gummy? Is this a concern for a blade that is getting used every month or once a year?

Thanks ddean about the leather info esp., I would have thought that to be a no no.

Kendo, do you use olive oil on the handles as well?
 
re olive oil, and other treatments.

I think most vege oils are acidic or break down to acidic products.
Usually a bad thing.
One of ballistol claims is that it's basicly alkaline.........
:D

I don't know anything for sure that is truly archival.
Except glass cases with light/temp/humidity controls.
:rolleyes:
But then most of our uses don't require achival care.
 
I believe that there was a maker on here a few months ago who stated that all he ever used for his stag, bone, and horn handles was an occasional soaking in olive oil.
 
I've been using olive oil as a treatment for stag, ivory and buffalo horn knife handles for 30 - some years. I haven't had a crack or split yet. I use a tall, narrow jar and submerge the finished handle for 8 --12 hours. longer if I can. let the handle drip back into the jar and save the oil for the next use. It lasts for years. Don't waste the Extra Virgin on this project, as the cheap stuff works fine. I can't remember where I found this idea, but it was an old-time trick. Good luck.
Bri :D
 
I tried olive oil on khukuri blades a number of years ago. It was good for a few months, then a gummy deposit began to build up in the sheath that made blade insertion and withdrawal difficult.

I gave up then on organic oils that go rancid. Mineral oils don't have that problem.
 
Seems like (from other sources too)
that all the negatives of olive oil have to do
with it exposed to air.

Inside a porous material ( leather, wood, ivory, ..........)
it seems to be ok.

Anyone with experience otherwise?
 
The olive oil will build up inside the wooden scabbards fairly quick IME. My experiences mirror Howard's.:(

And it takes a whole lot of time to clear it out when you have a buildup. I have used damned near an entire can or Rem-Oil in my 18" AK scabbard before I even started using Ballistol and I still have to bump the handle from side to side to break the blade loose so it can be drawn. Then add the rancidity and it's a No Go for olive oil for me. DOes work good on horn etc.
But the Ballistol-Lube works on everything and is s'possed to be non-toxic. I haven't had any adverse effects from using it.:D
 
if you go to www.ballistol-lube.com and go to the ballistol page, and then find the contact email, im pretty sure the guy who runs it will send you a copy of the ballstol info pamplet.

its about 28 pages worth of info, and an interesting read.

articles on
comparison ballisol vs. wd-40
comparison ballistol vs crc 6-66 marine forumla
ballistol and electrical equipment
ballistol - non toxicity and the environment
ballistol lube and biodegradability (gives list of ingrediants, and how each effects bidegradability)
automotive uses for ballisol
ballistol and aluminum
ballistol and aircraft maintenance
fact sheet
chart of mix ratios for ballistol applications
the use of ballistol-lube on firearms and related equipment
ballistol material safety data sheet
marine applications of ballistol
the use of ballistol in hospitals and medical technology
ballistol and disinfection
"the amazing story of ballistol"
the use of ballistol in resaurants, hotels and general building mainenance


its a crazy amount of info, and its all technical and to to the point. much of the information is how to use it, and under what conditions is it appropriate or not apropriate. ive had nothing but good dealings with the guy who runs the site (i have about 3 gallons worth of ballistol from there... and will eventually buy more)
 
This place has the best prices I've seen unless the ballistol.com website has came down on their prices.
A five gallon can is $150.00!!!!!:eek: :D

Checked out the ballistol.com page and see that their prices are a lot better now than they used to be!!!!:D
This looks to be a pretty neat package with several options for application!!!!:D :cool: :D
BSamp.jpg



Sample Pack






Bsamp
Includes 1.5 oz aerosol, 11 oz aerosol, 16 liquid, trigger spray for liquid can, microtip applicator bottle, and lots of Ballistol information!




$19.95 ea.
 
sheesh...Yvsa's got Ballistol on the brain today....yikes! :eek:

:footinmou



Olive oil = :barf: Gums up everything, sours, goes green with age, etc.


Mineral oil = odorless, tasteless and much better for oiling blades, handles. Also relatively food safe.
 
pendentive said:
sheesh...Yvsa's got Ballistol on the brain today....yikes! !:eek:
:footinmou

Mineral oil = odorless, tasteless and much better for oiling blades, handles. Also relatively food safe.
Well maybe Dan, just sore today from going back to the gym last Thursday and then again yesterday and feeling pretty dayumed proud of myself!!!! Wondering what the B-L would do for sore muscles if rubbed on them?:rolleyes: :D Someone made a reference to that somewhere methinks.;) :eek:

I have nothing against mineral oil and have used it myself on occasions.:p ;)
Actually for the natural hard handle materials like bone and stag it may be better than the B-L but it's probably just a toss up.;) :D
 
Another quick thought on olive oil,
just because I thought of it while just at the grocery.

There are maybe a dozen or more -basic- types (classifications)
of olive oil
differentiated by :

extraction method (mechanical, chemical, heat)
thicker or thinner viscosity
post extraction treatments
refining
natural acidity
chlorophyl content (exposed to light causes faster oxidation)

All of which influence (sometimes greatly)
the character of the oil.

Some of these differences may be responsible
in some cases
for different opinions re the use of the oil.


references:
http://www.milioni.com/fats/inglese/dati/1.htm (with recipes.....Yum)
http://www.the-nigros.com/notes/lessons/oils/extract.html (if you eat olive oil in any form,
read the last paragraph here :eek: :barf: )
http://www.olivebusiness.com/OBGuest/MDym/traditional_olive_oil_Mark_Dym.htm

WOOD, OIL, AND WATER
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nickl/wood.html
Great article going into chemestry of wood & oils

Another good article with different angle & good discussion:
http://www.navaching.com/shaku/oil.html
Including instructions for french-fried bamboo!
Applies to any wood/lignin probably?
" there's an intriguing wood treatment which bypasses most of the traditional bamboo drying/treatment processes and that's to french-fry the green culm in hot non-catalyzed tung oil. Cut the culm and drill out the nodes. Heat a tube of oil to about 350 F. Introduce the green culm. When all boiling and other activity ceases cut the heat and allow the oil to cool with the culm submerged.
Here's what happens: All moisture is expelled as it's turned into steam and escapes as bubbles. All lignin in the wood is hardened as the oil temperature is above its hardening point. All the surface waxes will be melted and removed. During the cool-down period any air which was greatly expanded at 350 F. contracts and atmospheric pressure drives the oil into the wood. Wipe all excess oil from your culm and submit to the standard 3 month drying period.
The result will be bamboo which has had it's starches and sugars stabilized, all moisture removed and be thoroughly impregnated with hardened linoxyn. The wood will be markedly hardened and strengthened--being waterproof, dent proof, etc. The modulus of elasticity will drop considerably and the material will become even more rigid and 'musical'. The major component of a Stradivarius violin is the treated wood of the top plate. It's acoustical properties are what we recognize as exceptional sound. Once the culm has cured, craft a flute in your usual manner."

and from :
http://clip.dia.fi.upm.es/~boris/gaita/node5.html
Sweet Almond Oil
"`Oiling'' refers to soaking the pipes with some oil, so that the wood stays supple, does not get too much moisture (just like you do with your furniture), and small scratches (which, however, do not affect sound or playability) are repaired. This is a common practice in many types of bagpipes and other woodwinds......... Beware: do not use olive oil, mineral oil, or any other oil readily available around you. Usually those get sticky with time, or polimerize, or suffer from other disastrous properties. A commonly used oil is ``Sweet Almond Oil'', available in drug stores or (at least in Spain) from pharmacies.
Make sure you get oil obtained from sweet almonds --
check the label.
Mix very well the oil with water and decant it, in order to remove water-soluble impurities. E vitamin may be added to prevent the oil from getting rancid. Please refer to this document ( http://clip.dia.fi.upm.es/~boris/gaita/external_html/care.html ) with I got from Casey Burns WWW site for a discussion of different types of oil and their properties, as well as very sensible advices regarding care of woodwinds.
....................
......... The only product for goat skin bags that has been recommended to me is aceite de pata de buey (literally, ``ox leg oil''). This is an oil used for reins, riding saddles, and similar devices, and helps to keep the bag supple. N.B.: I have been told that ``ox leg oil'' might be the so-called neats-foot oil, which is used in the care of harness and other leather goods."

http://www.claytonemery.com/musketclean.html
" I prefer olive oil, which is tough, doesn't evaporate or turn rancid, washes out of clothes easily, and protects steel even in drizzle. Disadvantage: left too long, olive oil oxidizes to a brown crust, but this continues to protect the gun and comes off easily with cleaning solvent. One guy wipes his gun with Baby Wipes containing lanolin (grease pressed from sheep's wool). Modern gun oils work, but some experts think petroleum products harm antique and replica guns. Your choice."
 
Aardvark said:
Another great post, Dean. Your reputation is well deserved.
Thanks
Which reputation is that? :D
Nevermind

Part of my ADD-Obsesive-compulsive once I get interested in something.
At least it's a usually positive side to things.... :rolleyes:
:footinmou

thanks again
 
heres the list with a short example of where it occurs in nature. the page gives a list of what it is and how it biodegrades. the ammonium oleate paragraph is taken directly from the page.

purified liquid paraffin (medicinal grade paraffin (pure)) - found in plant waxes (leaves etc)
potassium oleate -
ammonium oleate - potassium oleate is the potassium salt of oleic acid. ammonium oleate is its ammonium salt. when exposed to water for an extended period of time both compunds split into potassium ions, respectively ammonium ions, and oleic acid. this is what happens, when ballistol-lube emulsifies with water. tpotassium ions are natrually found in ocean water and clear water, wheras ammonium ions result form the natural (bacterial) decomposition of urine and feces in combination with water. they are naturally transformed into nitrates, wich are also known as fertilizers for plants. the process is the equicalent to what happens, when a farmer fertilizes a feild with cow dung.
oleic acid- fatty acid found in all oils and fats (olive oil and butter, etc)
benzyl alcohol - benzyle, amyl and isobutyl are products of fermentation.
amyl alcohol
isobutyl alcohol

bentyl acetate - found in several fragrant substances, especially jasmine.
anethole - oil from pimpinella anisum L. seeds.
isohexane (aerosol only) - a pure carbohydrate, used to improve the spayability of ballistol in aerosol form.
 
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