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Ontario Rat 1 or Spyderco Tenacious

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Runt1122, Mar 17, 2019.

Rat 1 vs Tenacious

  1. Rat 1

    43 vote(s)
  2. Tenacious

    11 vote(s)
  1. Runt1122


    Feb 20, 2019
    I have read several threads comparing these two great budget blades, but don’t ever recall seeing a poll. I was interested in what people would vote for between these two for general edc applications and last ditch self defense purposes.
  2. Im_your_huckleberry

    Im_your_huckleberry Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 14, 2014
    If we're talking about the Rat 1 in D2 then that's the winner for me.
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  3. whp


    Apr 26, 2009
    I agree. Both are fine knives, but the d2 is obviously the better blade steel.
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2019
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  4. NorthernSouthpaw

    NorthernSouthpaw Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2014
    I owned a Tenacious for exactly one day and returned it. I've owned my RAT1 for over 3 years and it is probably the best "bang for buck" folder on the market. Either that or the RAT2...
    The Tenacious in 8cr13mov is double the cost of a RAT1 in AUS8 and about $15 more than the D2 version.
    I don't think G10 scales and a laser engraved tick on the blade is worth the extra dough.
    slyraven and 115Italian like this.
  5. gazz98


    Sep 3, 2008
    Both great knives but go for the Rat 1 in D2.
  6. Velitrius

    Velitrius Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Both are fine, but I'd take the RAT 1 or 2. Had a Tenacious and gave it away.

    D2 is good, but I have no problem with the AUS-8 RAT offerings either. Very easy to maintain, and inexpensive.
    115Italian likes this.
  7. katanas


    Jan 6, 2012
    The Tenacious was a good buy when it first came out (at least I got a good buy), and it's a good knife. :) Now, however, the Rat 1 or 2 are (and I feel always were) a much better bang for the buck. :thumbsup:
  8. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    I own both and rarely carry either because I have a lot of other knives that are better than both of them.

    Both are totally functional knives. I like the Tenacious better than the Rat 1 because it just suits my particular desires/biases better. For some reason I view the Rat1 as more of a camp type knife than one for EDC use but again that's simply based on my own particular perspectives.

    Frankly, I don't think you can go "wrong" using/carrying either knife for normal use but, if you're you've got a limited budget, the Rat1 is obviously the better buy because it's cheaper.

    If I had to let one go, it would be the Rat1 because I really don't need/use it. I'd keep the Tenacious (again because it suits me better) and also because I consider it one of a 3 knife Spyderco family subset which includes the Resilience, Tenacious and Persistence. I'd add the Ambitious to the subset too but that's just too small of a knife for me to bother collecting.
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2019
  9. Wunderbar


    May 2, 2003
    Are shopping at Walmart right now? :) They have both models. Tough call. I'd go with the Tenacious. G10 And abit more pocket friendly size. Thicker lock too.
  10. Banter 247

    Banter 247

    Feb 22, 2019
    Rat 1, in AUS-8. Friends have been doing testing with the Rat models, and are finding that production D2 is badly underperforming. Gerald from Outpost76 on YT ran Rat 1 in D2 vs AUS-8 and got better performance out of the AUS-8. Also noteworthy: the D2 on that Rat 1 was the best D2 he had tested to that point.

    Seems at least possible that D2 is being under treated.

    Either of those will stomp on 8cr13mov.

    So, the lowest price tag gets you the most performance.
  11. dirc


    Jan 31, 2018
    d2 in a rat under performing?? how exactly, I'm really curious
  12. Banter 247

    Banter 247

    Feb 22, 2019
    It was out cut in an edge retention test by AUS-8, each in a Rat 1, with matching edges and geometry.

    Edited to add the link. Gerald uses the same methodology as Supersteel Steve:

    Last edited: Mar 18, 2019
  13. midnight flyer

    midnight flyer Basic Member Basic Member

    Jan 12, 2009
    I've had it used both of these knives for all manner of tasks at work. I have a little bit larger hands and the handle size and style of the Rat 1 suits me much better.

    For my common construction related tasks the Rat 1 performed much better in the hand. Although I use much higher performing (and more expensive!) steels on a regular basis in my knives I find the Rat 1 steel perfectly acceptable since it is soft enough that in a pinch I can touch it up on a piece of wet-n-dry sandpaper. It seemed to me that the Tenacious didn't perform as well and the wide flat blade was definitely harder to touch up out in the field.

    The Rat1 carries better in my pocket, too. I don't like the big flat leaf design of the blade as it takes up too much real estate in the pocket. I really wanted to like the Tenacious more, but wound up giving it to a friend of mine after about six months of use. He always wanted a real Spyderco knife, so in the end everyone was happy.

    Last edited: Mar 18, 2019
  14. Cscotttsss

    Cscotttsss Basic Member Basic Member

    Mar 3, 2015
    I'm a huge Spyderco fan, and 80% or more of my collection consists of Spydies.

    With that said, I'd choose a Rat 1 or Rat 2 all day over any of Spydercos "budget" offerings. So yeah, Rat 1 is much better than the Tenacious.
  15. teddy1093

    teddy1093 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 12, 2017
    image.jpg Had both but rat 1 in aus 8 is my daily work driver. Just have to keep up on it
  16. eugenechia1989


    May 15, 2017
    I own both and like them both, but I carried my RAT 1 (AUS-8) more. Main reasons are (1) The smoother handle scales especially underneath the pocket clip makes the RAT 1 easier to clip to and unclip from the pocket, (2) The knife is not as wide when folded so it slips into my pocket with other stuff more easily, and (3) I could easily swap the placement of the pocket-clip on the RAT for tip-up carry. I tried to do the same for the Tenacious and one of the darn screws stripped, it's permanently tip-down now.
  17. coffeeandknives


    Mar 5, 2019
    Rat 1 is the easy choice.
    There is no reason to waste $40-50 on 8cr13
    If you insist on a Spyderco design, go with the Byrd Raven 2. The Tenacious is garbage.
    bruno_go likes this.
  18. Mikel_24


    Sep 19, 2007
    I own a Tenacious PS and a RAT 2... I like the RAT 2 better, but maybe just because even though I keep on buying them, partiall y serrated blades are tricky. Out of the two, I voted RAT 1

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