Opinion on Puma knives

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I curently own a Puma "German Expedition Knife" i have never used or test it if you want to put it that way but when i bought it from the shop i compared it with some other brand such as buck and aitor.(note: that is about all the brand you can get in my place) In which i will have to say that the workmanship and blade steel from puma is better than both buck and aitor.But i will have to say that puma cost more than both of them.
I would like to get some opinion about these puma knives.
Which are on http://www.outdoormania.com/puma.htm
Particularly on the Puma TAC-1 and Puma Scout.

I am a NEW here hope to learn alot form here. Thanks.
 
The quality of Puma is a mixed bag any more. Years ago they were top notch (and I have a number of such knives). The newer, cheaper ones do not have the same fit and finish. But today's production of the older designs is typically better than the newer designs. As to which is which, look at the higher priced ones. The steel is very good, better than many knife manufacturers out there.
 
Don M
What do you refer to when you say The newer, cheaper ones?
Care to define cheap as in what price range?
And are the Puma Tac1, scout, combat and huntec consider the newer and cheaper ones?
 
I'd have to look at a catalog to answer your questions. I happen to have some older catalogs, which are still useful. There are a couple of series of knife styles that are good.

In the last few years I have purchased two Pumas from an online dealer. One was a Duke, which is a nice one, the other was a stockman, which did not have nearly as good a fit and finish as another stockman I have from the mid 80s. These were bought without first being able to see them.

But in your case you have a shop to go to to look at them. Pick the ones that look good, and you should be fine. As for the steel, if the current production is as good as the older ones, it performs well.
 
OK, now that I'm home and have a minute I'll try to answer your question.

First I need to say that I don't consider myself an expert on Pumas. I can only speak from my own experience. I have enough of them to draw some conclusions, but this should not be construed as universal truths.

Puma used to make great knives. They were of a high quality, especially compared to other manufacturers at the time. They cost more, but they were good. Then in the late 80s they raised their prices significantly, which priced them out of the American market. Within a few years, and also due to a new president (or so I heard) they began taking cost cutting measures. Now their knives cost less than they did 20 years ago. But something had to go in the process.

By newer knives, I mean the laser cut models. Some of their older designs are still decent, but even there you will have to inspect them to make sure the quality is there. In fixed blades, the stag handled knives, White Hunter, Skin Master, 4 Star, Bowie, Hunter's Pal, etc. are all older designs. I believe these are all still built relatively well, but don't buy one sight unseen. I have heard (but not yet seen) that the brass washer cups for the pins that hold the stag on the handle are much smaller now than they used to be, which is a step in the wrong direction. In folders, the stag (Earl, Duke, Prince, Emperor) and the wood handled (Trail Boss, Game Warden, Deer Hunter) knives are also the older design, and if you see them they should generally be OK. Having said that, I have a recent production Duke, and although it is nice (especially the blade grind), it still does not match the fit and finish that they had 15 years ago. And because of the Sambar stag embargo, you can't get the nice, dark stag any more.

Puma makes some of these models with plastic handles, which are OK as far as I have seen, but check it first. I have also seen some of the more modern design folders (Protec, Sportec) that looked OK.

The stockman I have (or my son has) is a recent purchase. It was quite a bit less than the stockman cost 15 years ago. But the quality, most noticeably the blade grind, is nowhere near what it used to be.

I only hope that Puma is not taking quality compromises with the steel. They used to make a point of using hot rolled steel, and hot forging the blades. I don't know if they still do this now (not likely with the laser cut blades). The more expensive models (the older designs) may still. Puma really nailed the heat treat on the steel they use. It does better than many steels available today. It may not be better than ATS-34 (depending on how well the ATS-34 is heat treated), but I would stack it up against anyone's 440C. I have tested one of mine against a Benchmade 440C, and my brother has tested a Puma against a Benchmade ATS-34, and in both cases the Puma held its edge longer. I have not tested either of the newer Puma blades in the house to see if this is still true.

The thing you have in your favor is the shop near you where you can look at the knives before you buy. If the fit and finish are nice, and the blades are ground well, then it is a good one. That should be the bottom line. If it passes your inspection, then don't hold back on buying one.
 
That was probably purchased in 1983 and is a fantastic lock-back folder. It was my first knife purchase that went beyond Buck and Schrade. The blade has always held a keen edge and has no lateral play. I did have to send it in for service once because the lock would fail, but I attribute that to my habit at the time of flicking open knives with great vigor (sort of like the "Brownie Flick"). It was the same technique that pretty much destroyed the Buck 110 that I carried for years before buying the Puma. I was very hard on my knives when I was young. I used ithe Puma as my EDC for several years and it never disappointed me. When it did go for service, the US distributor actually sent it back to Germany for re-work and I was never charged a cent. Now the lock is as tight as it was when it wan new, maybe tighter. I don't know if they still have it, but my 970 says Handmade on the blade.

I've heard they're more recent stuff isn't up to the same standards, but old Puma knives were well made in my experience.

jmx
 
Allow me to reopen this thread. I have been absent from the forum for several months.

I bought a Puma White Hunter (not White Hunter II) from an online store within the past year. I do not own any vintage example of this knife therefore I cannot compare it with my own, which I presume is of recent manufacture. However a very close examination shows the following.

1. The blade has no visible toolmarks and is as symmetric in appearance as can be achieved by manual fitting.

2. The brass washers in the handle appear to be of the same size as those on vintage White Hunters advertised on eBay. In fact I cannot see how they could be made any larger than they are.

3. There are no visible gaps in the stag-metal fit.

4. Stag scales match reasonably well and have no cracks, roughness, nor significant blemishes.

5. Sheath is flawless in materials and construction.

6. Where the upper part of the tang enters, the guard looks as though it was roughly cut by a power saw. On the opposite side of the guard, similar rude tool marks are barely visible where the front part of the stag does not cover them completely.

Whether current White Hunter production is the equal of vintage knives would depend upon point (6). Someday I hope to compare my knife with examples from 1970-1990.
 
Silver Puss, it looks like you got a nice one. The White Hunter is one of the traditional models that Puma makes, and it is a good design. The steel should do a good job for you too. Enjoy!
 
To: "PUMA people" Please refer to my post on the "Traditional folders and fixed blade" forum. Need input. Thanks
 
Thanks for the reply Don. I also have a Skinner and Scout. The Scout is not one of their traditional knives. I probably bought it so that it could become my sole example of a chisel-ground blade.
 
Hello,
I'm new on the forum and i enjoy reading the interesting messages.
I'm not a knife collector even if i like them very much..i'm mostly a hunter who likes hunting knives.
I own several knives ans i'm happy with my PUMA white hunter and PUMA original bowie .
Both are current productions, in field use the PUMA white hunter is a solid piece of metal. I use it mostly to seperate the carcass, split the bones. The balance of the knife it's just great. The blade is very tough..i think older models with pumasteel was more sharp and the newer White hunter are pain in the ... when you must resharp them.
This knife cost some $, but the quality is at the rendez vous.
The Puma original bowie, is also a good knife, the blade quality is in the same catégory as my BUCK 119, it's SHARP.
it's a good carbon steel.

So i don"t undersatnd why people are reading bad things about PUMA knives ?
The fit and finish is top quality even if it's true that i prefer a stag handle (i'm a hunter and stag has a special value for me) i can't compare it with space age stuff i'm not in to.

For me it's PUMA and BUCK, two legends.
The two PUMA models i'm talking about are still made in GERMANY not in China or spain (this country has a great reputation for their knifes..i own several knives from Tolede).
Sorry for my Tarzan english...i'm french:D

Regards
JW
 
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