OK, I don't dislike them, I just resent paying for them, and having money go to a foreign nation that opposes our international policies.
I read today the Pilots, the PILOTS flying commercial airlines get HK semi auto pistols. Well, tickle my fanny and rub their egos with holy water; what a crock!!!
I am sick of it. I grew up under the guidance of a Kansas Redneck engineer. He taught me the shooting essentials when I was 8. Like a lot of rural folks who don't boast and whose names you'll never see at Camp Perry, I can hit a long ways off and with a variety of equipment. I can hit with 10 pound trigger pulls that feel as if you're bending a wire and with 3 oz trigger pulls. I can hit with wobbles or rock steady stocks, free floats or flopping all over the horizan. That does not mean I don't appreciate fine equipment, but it does mean the difference between a 1000 pistol and a 500 dollar pistol is not worth 500 dollars!!!!!
I managed a gun store for several years after leaving the mental health treatment community. Hard to believe, I was staff, not a patient. I watched law enforcement carefully as their weapon choices changed. Initially, they wanted SW nines. They couldn't get the CZ75, and the variety we have today was not around. The progression basically went; SW, Glock, Beretta, Sig, and HK. As they went from one brand to another, it was cult status that made the change for them. Very few of them really knew weapons very well. This was almost entirely choice dictated by prestige, ego, fashion and manliness- what their peers told them was 'aweseome".
I watched helplessly as Beretta got the military small arm contract and the 1911 was tosssed aside. I was late as a student of the gun, not really studying the issue until I was 31 or 32, but making up for lost time quickly. I used to fall asleep with ballistic charts by my bed. I would read late into the night. It was clear the move to a .223 was illthought. Like a lot of folks, I realized the Holy Grail was actually going to be somewhere around 6 to 7 mm. I wondered what the hell was wrong with the 243? Today we have this 'new' round developed, a 270 with a 43 long case. That makes me squirm a bit, as the original Soviet short was 43. We just reinvent.
There is nothing 'wrong' with the Beretta- though that barrel design will never be as accurate as other pistols. If Ruger had been allowed one more stinking year, they would have given us a sidearm half the price of a Beretta, American made, and outlasting the Italian by at least twice as long.
Enter HK. HK is fine. But it is largely a 'cult' name, not an acuality. People will become deeply offended if anyone suggests their HK whatever's are not the cat's pajama's in weapontry. I swear to God I almost think there is something Psyho-sexual about the entire status of that firm. People sneer at me- scoffing, I obviously know nothing of weapons. The final canard, that of the 'professional' needing the 'best', and that his life is on the line, is a kind of trump card used to end the argument.
Now HK is all but guarenteed the contract for the interim weapon until such time as the big brains at the Pentagon can get a better bribe from some foriegn nation.
I hate to say this, but a litle Kel Tech is not that much less a weapon than the AR, and a Ruger mini 14 a lot more reliable than the AR. Granted, the Ruger has accuracy issues that Ruger would have had to address if that design ever was to make it. The military should have had a AR 18 system available for desert conditions. It is cheaper to buy and produce, is accurate, and many parts are interchangable with the AR 15. But no, that would be too smart a move.
So now we have the new miracle weapon system. HK is going to build it. Germany dislikes our policies, but profits both from our assertive policing of the world and these fat contracts.
Why can't Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Marlin, or Savage get time to develope a competition against the HK? Why must my tax moneys support someone's politics and ego regarding weapon choice?
So, Call me a rube. Dismiss these ideas as uninformed and a blight against the noble HK. For years I heard nothing but awe concerning the HK's roller system in the G3 and 91. And those 'fluted chamber'. YOu'd think they were reading a girlie magazine! Do you know why the HK needed fluted chambers? Because that silly weapon system would not function, the cases sticking and jamming without chambers cut with slight flats!! Even HK has moved away from it.
This entire weapon subject is chock full of BS from top to bottom.
Please join me is singing the HK anthem:
"Oh Heckler Koch, that we can't pronounce
You make me feel so strong, and keep my pillow warm
If looks could kill, this War is won
I look so deadly, in my new uniform."
munk
I read today the Pilots, the PILOTS flying commercial airlines get HK semi auto pistols. Well, tickle my fanny and rub their egos with holy water; what a crock!!!
I am sick of it. I grew up under the guidance of a Kansas Redneck engineer. He taught me the shooting essentials when I was 8. Like a lot of rural folks who don't boast and whose names you'll never see at Camp Perry, I can hit a long ways off and with a variety of equipment. I can hit with 10 pound trigger pulls that feel as if you're bending a wire and with 3 oz trigger pulls. I can hit with wobbles or rock steady stocks, free floats or flopping all over the horizan. That does not mean I don't appreciate fine equipment, but it does mean the difference between a 1000 pistol and a 500 dollar pistol is not worth 500 dollars!!!!!
I managed a gun store for several years after leaving the mental health treatment community. Hard to believe, I was staff, not a patient. I watched law enforcement carefully as their weapon choices changed. Initially, they wanted SW nines. They couldn't get the CZ75, and the variety we have today was not around. The progression basically went; SW, Glock, Beretta, Sig, and HK. As they went from one brand to another, it was cult status that made the change for them. Very few of them really knew weapons very well. This was almost entirely choice dictated by prestige, ego, fashion and manliness- what their peers told them was 'aweseome".
I watched helplessly as Beretta got the military small arm contract and the 1911 was tosssed aside. I was late as a student of the gun, not really studying the issue until I was 31 or 32, but making up for lost time quickly. I used to fall asleep with ballistic charts by my bed. I would read late into the night. It was clear the move to a .223 was illthought. Like a lot of folks, I realized the Holy Grail was actually going to be somewhere around 6 to 7 mm. I wondered what the hell was wrong with the 243? Today we have this 'new' round developed, a 270 with a 43 long case. That makes me squirm a bit, as the original Soviet short was 43. We just reinvent.
There is nothing 'wrong' with the Beretta- though that barrel design will never be as accurate as other pistols. If Ruger had been allowed one more stinking year, they would have given us a sidearm half the price of a Beretta, American made, and outlasting the Italian by at least twice as long.
Enter HK. HK is fine. But it is largely a 'cult' name, not an acuality. People will become deeply offended if anyone suggests their HK whatever's are not the cat's pajama's in weapontry. I swear to God I almost think there is something Psyho-sexual about the entire status of that firm. People sneer at me- scoffing, I obviously know nothing of weapons. The final canard, that of the 'professional' needing the 'best', and that his life is on the line, is a kind of trump card used to end the argument.
Now HK is all but guarenteed the contract for the interim weapon until such time as the big brains at the Pentagon can get a better bribe from some foriegn nation.
I hate to say this, but a litle Kel Tech is not that much less a weapon than the AR, and a Ruger mini 14 a lot more reliable than the AR. Granted, the Ruger has accuracy issues that Ruger would have had to address if that design ever was to make it. The military should have had a AR 18 system available for desert conditions. It is cheaper to buy and produce, is accurate, and many parts are interchangable with the AR 15. But no, that would be too smart a move.
So now we have the new miracle weapon system. HK is going to build it. Germany dislikes our policies, but profits both from our assertive policing of the world and these fat contracts.
Why can't Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Marlin, or Savage get time to develope a competition against the HK? Why must my tax moneys support someone's politics and ego regarding weapon choice?
So, Call me a rube. Dismiss these ideas as uninformed and a blight against the noble HK. For years I heard nothing but awe concerning the HK's roller system in the G3 and 91. And those 'fluted chamber'. YOu'd think they were reading a girlie magazine! Do you know why the HK needed fluted chambers? Because that silly weapon system would not function, the cases sticking and jamming without chambers cut with slight flats!! Even HK has moved away from it.
This entire weapon subject is chock full of BS from top to bottom.
Please join me is singing the HK anthem:
"Oh Heckler Koch, that we can't pronounce
You make me feel so strong, and keep my pillow warm
If looks could kill, this War is won
I look so deadly, in my new uniform."
munk
