paying big money for a tactical tomahawk

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I am no longer active in the military, but wanted a good tactical tomahawk for multiple purposes. I have researced and read many conflicting articles and posts. Some believe the tomahawk to be ineffective due to it's light weight as far as camping goes and would choose other blades for defense like a sword or kuriblades.others believe it to be a very effective tool and weapon for defense, evasion and practical use.I would tend to agree with the latter.the tomahawk has been used for years as a weapon and multi purpose tool.native Americans preferred the pipe type as it served a dual purpose.the hawk was used in Vietnam and is still used today,as many troops have one in their arsenal.I am definitely a believer in learning from the past and present and the ' if it's not broke don't fix it ' way of thinking,but also in personal preference and testing. I priced almost every tomahwak on the market and was shocked to see some selling for 500 dollars or in that neighborhood. I mean im a firm believer in ,you get what you pay for but i could buy a firearm for that money! Unwilling to pay those prices and not wanting a cheaply made piece of junk,I bought two quality hawks, an estwig because of their track record with other tools ,full tang design and being made of 1055 carbon steel.I also chose a Smith and Wesson evasion tomahawk also a full tang design made of 1075 carbon steel. I found the S.and W quite heavy but very durable. It has a decent beard on it that works well for hooking and prying and cutting into sheet metal.the 1075 is a great steel so this hawk stands you to almost anything the spike is very sharp and punctures cinder blocks with ease.the S and W also has a pretty good size edge length curved similar to a hatchet. Again, my only complaint is it's a bit heavy. I think one of the major advantages of a hawk is it's maneuver abilty vs an axe, so I ground down the handle. I took about a half inch off each side, removed the stock handle and wrapped it in 550 cord this helped quite a bit. Now to the estwig in which I am truly impressed. First the down sides it is made of 1055 vs 1075 some would argue is better for absorbing shock.next, the blade length is not so long and no beard. even without the beard the hawk is shaped in a way that allows a hook in combat. Third the handle is just plain ugly it looks just like a hammer handle and is bulky rubber. The pros far out weigh the cons. The head has a hollowed out triangle that saves weight but due to ergonomics still maintains strength. It is very easy to maneuver being about 26 ounces vs the S and W being over 2 pounds. The straight edge cuts surprisingly well I couldn't stop chopping limbs and using the incredibly strong spike on blocks. Some minor filing was needed to take out some minor nicks but that's to be expected beating on cinder blocks. I would highly recommended an estwig or Smith and Wesson hawk for practical use such as camping or escape and evasion. I also believe the tomahawk to be an excellent defense and combat weapon. it's light, maneuverable,can hook, be thrown pretty easy ,cut and puncture. I think it'd important to note any weapon can be deadly in the right hands when properly trained. It comes down to preference in the end. I'll post pics of my hawks.
 
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The details are where it's at, not the looks, but the functional aspects of the design and the execution. Take the RMJ designed Kangee. It's not "bad" but it's a mass produced version of a design that has taken shortcuts in steps towards a final product. The handle material is less expensive, it's too fat, the beard on mine doesn't have an edge, and the sheath isn't the same kydex as an RMJ.

You get what you pay for sometimes, and you have to pay to get a hawk that is right, IMO. The Estwings are a good deal for the price, so is the Kangee. If you want much better performance, you just have to pay more. If your life will depend on it's performance, you should really pay more!
 
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True a really good one cost about the price of a gun but it can't be replaced by a gun.The high dollar hawks don't need modifications, can't complain about their looks or ergonomics, they are pretty much indestructible,retain their value and are fully under warranty. If you buy a few more hawks or cutting tools the cost will eventually come close to the price of the high dollar ones. That's why I got this one. I have no need to upgrade or continue the search for the perfect Hawk. I did get mine for a good price from a friend.
That Eastwing should serve you well. I look forward to the pics of the modded S&W as well.
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Thanks for your service, OP!
"Some believe the tomahawk to be ineffective due to it's light weight as far as camping goes"
Yes, I've had the opportunity to limb some branches off my pine trees with my collection of tomahawks and small axes and hatchets. One swing of an axe is worth many swings of a tomahawk. More calories burned with the 'hawk. For any work purposes, a belt axe or any small axe with enough weight and proper blade thickness and bevel will run circles around a tomahawk. Poll axe can pound tent stakes, etc., a spike hawk makes a ferocious weapon (even in the hands of the unpracticed), but a mediocre tool. Conversely, an axe makes an "ok" weapon.

"native Americans preferred the pipe type as it served a dual purpose....' if it's not broke don't fix it '"
Many pipe hawks were decorative show pieces, some were brass or soft metal.
Native Americans would take what they could get as iron was scarce. They often made smaller blades from larger axes they could acquire. Many 'found' tomahawks were very small by today's standards.
They made due, but I wouldn't say they perfected any optimal tools. There is still room for improvement.

I have a few Cold Steel Hawks. Their Trail Hawk, while it has a hammering surface, I consider 85% weapon after trying to limb pine branches. It does the job, but three to five times slower than my Gerber camp axe.
The Lagana hawk by American Tomahawk is a great weapon. It has a durable but short handle.

You did good with the Estwing. $500 hawks for the single malt scotch crowd. Keep it real.

"...but wanted a good tactical tomahawk for multiple purposes."
As much as I like the idea of carry a spike hawk in the woods, I find myself carrying a poll axe or belt axe mostly.
There is no perfect compromise, only compromise.
 
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Wish I knew about tactical hawks when I was a jarhead. There was a time when we had intel that our position was going to be over run. Our unit was reinforced and guys had taken the pioneer tools(axes and shovels) off the jeeps and trucks and put them in the bunkers. It turned out to be an interesting night but no mass assault. I had a sharp Kabar(in addition to an M-16 A1) but a Hawk would have been comforting also. (Beirut, Lebanon 1983-24th MAU, Charlie Battery 1/10).
Currently: In my line of work my hawk may be used for an emergency breach, as far as single malt scotch crowd I drive a 14yr old truck but I got a nice Hawk ;)
 
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In my line of work my hawk may be used for an emergency breach, as far as single malt scotch crowd I drive a 14yr old truck ;)
You just spent all your scotch money on your hawk, a much wiser choice in my opinion. :)
 
Wish I knew about tactical hawks when I was a jarhead. There was a time when we had intel that our position was going to be over run. Our unit was reinforced and guys had taken the pioneer tools(axes and shovels) off the jeeps and trucks and put them in the bunkers. It turned out to be an interesting night but no mass assault. I had a sharp Kabar(in addition to an M-16 A1) but a Hawk would have been comforting also. (Beirut, Lebanon 1983-24th MAU, Charlie Battery 1/10).
Currently: In my line of work my hawk may be used for an emergency breach, as far as single malt scotch crowd I drive a 14yr old truck but I got a nice Hawk ;)

My neighbor was there and finished his tour just days before the place blew up. Now he has a bad case of survivors guilt, wears woodland BDUs EVERYday and drinks A-lot.
Hopefully your experience was better, thanks for your service.
The book "War on the Run" is a great account of Robert's Rangers and some of the most brutal combat with hawks and belt axes. Slow reading the first 1/3 but worth it if you're ever snowed in.
 
Yea I never had the opportunity to use a hawk in deployment but did hear an interesting story, I believe from the rmj site about a soldier who was pinned down in a building as well as his buddies. He used the hawk to break through the wall and they all escaped. As far as spending 500 it even 300 on a hawk even in a deployment situation, I'd need to be seriously convinced in what makes it worth that much money... The rmj is way cool as far as looks and design, people can say what they want but let's face it people buy things because they look cool. put a cammo paint job on it and it becomes (tactical ) I would almost buy a high priced hawk just to compare it to a estwig or Smith and Wesson. It's 1095 vs 1055 vs1075 all full tang, all have sharp spikes capable of puncturing . Plus I enjoy modification to fit my needs and having something unique. I would love to make some from scratch one day. I understand the hatchet argument, it does have advantages for sure especially for hammering. I also have a small hatchet for those purposes but as far as swinging something over and over I do better w a lighter instrument that I can keep my momentum with. IMO it's just more fun and enjoyable and easier provided you have the oompth to put behind it
 
Larger, heavier axe heads can deliver much more energy than small tomahawks, no question, but weight distribution is an equally important and sometimes overlooked factor as well. And frankly there are many situations where a 3 pound tool is more than you'll want to carry. A light axe or hawk with nice forward weight distribution can still deliver a great deal of cutting power towards its objective while maintaining excellent speed and maneuverability, not to mention keeping the overall weight on your kit to a more manageable level. There are hikers out there who will cut the handle off their toothbrush to reduce the weight in their pack; you have to wonder what type of a camp tool they carry.

Regarding cost, I guess it depends on whether you want a disposable tool or something that will last you forever. Steel choice and heat treatment make a huge difference on toughness and edge retention, which to me are pretty darn important on something I will be using a lot. When I head out into the woods I carry only one axe with me so it had better hold up or I'm in trouble. And a properly heat treated S7 axe that's gone through a few normalizing and stress relieving thermal cycles and tempered three times will far outperform a stamped 1050 axe that's been rushed through a more, um, "efficient" factory heat treat.
 
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"but wanted a good tactical tomahawk for multiple purposes" There is no perfect, multipurpose hawk.
Hawks that have specific design purposes end up doing all the other tasks less efficiently. A breacher will only smash through wood for example, where a very fine edged wood chopper will just take too much damage when breaching.
On some camping trips, I have chopped way too much wood to be using a tactical tomahawk. I've tried, they just don't cut it, you end up working way too hard, you're better off with a folding saw. Their edges just aren't made to bite in and move the chips. Plus, I don't like spike hawks for the woods, I've had the spike graze my hat once, that was enough.
 
True, you get what you pay for. I love my Demko Hawk, RMJ would be my second choice. My application isn't camping though.

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Longtrang, thanks for doing what you do.

That Demko is S7, right?
 
S&W doesn't make knives or hawks. Taylor Cutlery has the rights to the name, and they have a less than stellar reputation. Hopefully it serves you well, at least it can't fold on your fingers.

I have a Swamp Rat crash axe, made of S7, and it is good for throwing and destroying/breaching, not ideal for chopping wood. They have some newer models that are more for fighting. A traditional axe will always be better for chopping wood than any "tactical" axe.

 
The book "War on the Run" is a great account of Robert's Rangers and some of the most brutal combat with hawks and belt axes. Slow reading the first 1/3 but worth it if you're ever snowed in.

Rogers' Rangers? I don't know that book, have to find it.
Have you seen the Rangers' fighting hatchet from the Fort William Henry Museum? Tiny.
 
I owned two Winkler hawks, and they were both exquisite in quality and craftsmanship. I ended up selling them as it was analogous to having a Ferrari and not being able to exceed the speed limit. I also have two more utilitarian hawks ... the S&W, and the Ontario Spike Hawk. The S&W will never win a beauty contest as it is a crude, destructive tool perfect for breaching and breaking concrete, wood, glass, etc. I replaced the cheap plastic scales with paracord, and it now is an ideal low budget bug-out bag addition. It is fairly lengthy and heavy, and reminds me of a medieval weapon similar to a war hammer. The Ontario is just plain mean, with an extremely sharp hawk blade and spike. It is shorter than the S&W, but just as tough, albeit considerably more refined with better edges and Micarta scales. While I would feel confident with either defending myself or breaking through a cinder block wall, neither is well suited for woods work or bush craft, unless bludgeoning a stump is on the to-do list. For camping, hiking, etc. I think a designated hatchet/axe is the much better choice, or possibly even a heavy bladed chopper like a quality Kukri or Bowie-type (Becker, etc.). Though no expert, I think the one-tool-does-all is wishful thinking, and have gone the less expensive route on various items rather than big bucks on a single purchase.
 
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