Don thanks for answering,is it a good weapon-does it have the heft to do damage.having talk to James myself I like to get other people's opinion on this.The monkeys fist you say hmmm,have not tied one in a long time,I mean a long long time.thanks for your time Nightwing
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Don thanks for answering,is it a good weapon-does it have the heft to do damage.having talk to James myself I like to get other people's opinion on this.The monkeys fist you say hmmm,have not tied one in a long time,I mean a long long time.thanks for your time Nightwing
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You don't have to start a whole new thread to answer, when you are reading the thread you started the first time and you want to answer or question further on the same subject, just hit the reply icon, not the start a new thread icon. I know you are new, not being mean, just an FYI thing.
The P.M. is not very heavy at all, as it is made of Titanium. It is, however, extremely fast because it is light. It is lighter than steel and very tough. I have quite a few different Ti-sticks from James in different configurations. They are all great and when you add something like the aforementioned Bandando, you get many different weapons with just a few things.
Weight vs. Speed...if you have this in a Bandando, you can strike faster and multiple times if you have to against multiple targets. You may not be able to pull off the same movement with brass, etc., as it will be slightly slower to get into action. With Ti-sticks, you go from zero-100 very fast.
The P.M. is not very heavy at all, as it is made of Titanium. It is, however, extremely fast because it is light. It is lighter than steel and very tough. I have quite a few different Ti-sticks from James in different configurations. They are all great and when you add something like the aforementioned Bandando, you get many different weapons with just a few things.
Weight vs. Speed...if you have this in a Bandando, you can strike faster and multiple times if you have to against multiple targets. You may not be able to pull off the same movement with brass, etc., as it will be slightly slower to get into action. With Ti-sticks, you go from zero-100 very fast.
Hey hey Nightwing!!
I've been the proud owner of a Pocket Meteor for almost a year now. :sigh: This little baby has been with me on many a dark night, comforting me. I even swam in the Gulf of Mexico with it attached to my swim shorts! (Hey, I could've used it to bop a stingray!
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Like Sir Don said, it's light, but has heft. Personally, I think it's kinda on the heavy side, especially since I've hit myself various times, by accident of course. I actually have a scar on my shin from my P.M.!
See, the thing is this: JSP's stuff makes you want to train, really hard. I mean, how can you NOT want to swing a Wang Bo, or Pocket Meteor around, full speed?? It's almost instinctive...
I've made the cord on my PM longer by adding a pinch cord; I'm going to give the monkey fist knot a try though.
BTW, if you do a search on Pocket Meteor here, you'll find a bunch of info.
I've been the proud owner of a Pocket Meteor for almost a year now. :sigh: This little baby has been with me on many a dark night, comforting me. I even swam in the Gulf of Mexico with it attached to my swim shorts! (Hey, I could've used it to bop a stingray!
Like Sir Don said, it's light, but has heft. Personally, I think it's kinda on the heavy side, especially since I've hit myself various times, by accident of course. I actually have a scar on my shin from my P.M.!
See, the thing is this: JSP's stuff makes you want to train, really hard. I mean, how can you NOT want to swing a Wang Bo, or Pocket Meteor around, full speed?? It's almost instinctive...
I've made the cord on my PM longer by adding a pinch cord; I'm going to give the monkey fist knot a try though.
BTW, if you do a search on Pocket Meteor here, you'll find a bunch of info.
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Making an actual lanyard from a MonkeyFist can not only be time consuming, it consumes a good amount of 3mm Cord as well. You have to be patient or the end result will look like a moron did it.
I know this, because I made a few Forrest Gump Specials till I got the hang of it.
What you want to get is an angled but rounded dental pick. That way you can root around in these various knots and get them very tight, and it also saves you 3mm and ParaCord because you do not have to cut the knots you screw up on or cut old lanyards out. You insert the pick and work it a bit like a Marlinspike. I believe the dental pick I am using is actually for packing small cavities as it is rounded and cannot scrape or really probe anything as far as teeth are concerned.
A little tricky, but well worth the time and trouble. MonkeyFist sounds like some new set of Kung Fu Tech.
What you want to get is an angled but rounded dental pick. That way you can root around in these various knots and get them very tight, and it also saves you 3mm and ParaCord because you do not have to cut the knots you screw up on or cut old lanyards out. You insert the pick and work it a bit like a Marlinspike. I believe the dental pick I am using is actually for packing small cavities as it is rounded and cannot scrape or really probe anything as far as teeth are concerned.
A little tricky, but well worth the time and trouble. MonkeyFist sounds like some new set of Kung Fu Tech.
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I am new to this forum. I am very interested in the JSP's Titanium stick system. But how can they be used as a weapon? Is the longer version (Wang Bo stick, Wang stick) used as a baton and the shorter version (Pocket Meteor and the others) used to strike the pressure point or used as a whip, like a Nunchaku by holding the lanyard? Since Titanum is very light and strong, it will be easy to carry
and conceal. Will use heavier material have more force? Where can I get more info?
Thanks.
WMK
and conceal. Will use heavier material have more force? Where can I get more info?
Thanks.
WMK
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WMK,
From personal experience, I have used various "loads" to make improvised blackjacks and whatnot. Small to medium-sized steel and brass padlocks, dogchains, brass, lead and steel cylinders. Steel is OK, the heavier lead and brass "loads" have one drawback, they do pack a wallop but they are slow. If you have a real blackjack, they are faster, but for more of a flexible weapon to be carried all the time, I like Ti-Sticks in various configurations. They are light, easy to carry and very, very fast and the velocity that can be attained by them and the rapid deployment gives what I personally feel is a decided edge in an encounter.
How do you use them? You can link to of the same type of sticks or different ones together like a nunchaku or a lot of different weapons, you can swing them by the lanyards or deploy them in hand like a Yawara, Kubotan, brass knuckle-type "fistload," or even use them like a knife as far as thrusting is concerned.
Give them a try at www.bladerigger.com
From personal experience, I have used various "loads" to make improvised blackjacks and whatnot. Small to medium-sized steel and brass padlocks, dogchains, brass, lead and steel cylinders. Steel is OK, the heavier lead and brass "loads" have one drawback, they do pack a wallop but they are slow. If you have a real blackjack, they are faster, but for more of a flexible weapon to be carried all the time, I like Ti-Sticks in various configurations. They are light, easy to carry and very, very fast and the velocity that can be attained by them and the rapid deployment gives what I personally feel is a decided edge in an encounter.
How do you use them? You can link to of the same type of sticks or different ones together like a nunchaku or a lot of different weapons, you can swing them by the lanyards or deploy them in hand like a Yawara, Kubotan, brass knuckle-type "fistload," or even use them like a knife as far as thrusting is concerned.
Give them a try at www.bladerigger.com
WMK,
The beauty of JSP's Ti sticks is really in the beauty of TITANIUM itself. Lighter, stronger = faster, more pain for the bad guy. Less pain for you, cause you won't be hyperextending your wrists. With a steel pipe...well, hope you've done a LOT of push ups! Lighter also means extremely fast direction changes and angles, making your attack that much harder to defend. Also, you know your stick ain't gonna break! Oh yeah, and that point on the Wang Bo is sharp!
How to use? Whatever's easiest. If it's easier to whack the BG on the head, then WHACK him on the head! With JSP's lanyards, you can wrap your stick around your thumb a la Echanis's 'Bone-Breaker' stick; very effective indeedly doodly! With the Pocket Meteor, this is very fast!
Again, please do a search here on "Pocket Meteor" and you'll find some more info.
The beauty of JSP's Ti sticks is really in the beauty of TITANIUM itself. Lighter, stronger = faster, more pain for the bad guy. Less pain for you, cause you won't be hyperextending your wrists. With a steel pipe...well, hope you've done a LOT of push ups! Lighter also means extremely fast direction changes and angles, making your attack that much harder to defend. Also, you know your stick ain't gonna break! Oh yeah, and that point on the Wang Bo is sharp!
How to use? Whatever's easiest. If it's easier to whack the BG on the head, then WHACK him on the head! With JSP's lanyards, you can wrap your stick around your thumb a la Echanis's 'Bone-Breaker' stick; very effective indeedly doodly! With the Pocket Meteor, this is very fast!
Again, please do a search here on "Pocket Meteor" and you'll find some more info.
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Thanks, Don and MrG.
I did a search and got lots of info. Although I love knives I am also looking for other non-edge weapons. I believe the Pocket Meteor is very good, light and small, but efficient. 6" or 8" Ban Bog, or 4" Pocekt Meteor, I am still thinking. Longer maybe better for thrusting but heavier to carry.
WMK
I did a search and got lots of info. Although I love knives I am also looking for other non-edge weapons. I believe the Pocket Meteor is very good, light and small, but efficient. 6" or 8" Ban Bog, or 4" Pocekt Meteor, I am still thinking. Longer maybe better for thrusting but heavier to carry.
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If I might make a suggestion...
So you get the most bang for your buck to start out with, buy a double pocket Bandando and a Koppo Stick. The Koppo Stick does not have a lanyard, it has a small loop of ParaCord to insert you middle and ring fingers in. Then you close your hand, making a fist and you have a double ended fist load. Not only does it reinforce the fist, you can strike with a hammer fist (bottom of the hand) or a reverse hammerfist (top, or thumb side of the hand while closed) or you can slap open handed, chin jab with it, etc. Added to which if you are fortunate enough to grab the attacker, you have something that actually makes tired old wrist and finger locks come alive.
This nifty thing was something I pointed out to James some time ago from Hatsumi Sensei's book (now out of print, find a copy) "Stickfighting." It was used for eda koppo bone breaking techniques. Just a little wooden palm stick that I thought would be neat constructed out of Titanium. It is high speed, low drag.
So, if you have this versatile little tool that fades to nothing at night on a city street, you can walk down the street with your hand in your pocket, or in plain view and only the sharpest folks would even notice it.
Put it in one of the pockets of the Double Bandando...then try some things that have been written about on here. Again, we take a step back to the Japanese Arts...try to pick up a copy of Gruzanski's "Spike & Chain." (again, out of print, you beginning to see a pattern? Sorry...) Grizanski's work was never the final word on the manrikigusari/kusarifundo Japanese Weighted Chain, but it is a good place to start.
High speed stuff that will work with this combination Koppo and Bandando would be Jim Keating's Comtech Bandana Video...
JSP Bandandos are extremely tough, extra reinforcements and they shine when doing this stuff...
Then you could get another Koppo, carry one in each hand, put them both in a Double Pocket Bandando (velcro closed pocket on each end) and away you go.
I have 2 Koppos, 1 Pocket Meteor, 1 12 inch pointed Wang Bo, 1 pointed 8 inch Ban Bog and a regular 8 inch Ban Bog stick...a few of the original Bandandos and one of the new double pocket Bandandos...all of the stuff is great. 2 V-Gar Systems...and a partridge in a pear tree...
So you get the most bang for your buck to start out with, buy a double pocket Bandando and a Koppo Stick. The Koppo Stick does not have a lanyard, it has a small loop of ParaCord to insert you middle and ring fingers in. Then you close your hand, making a fist and you have a double ended fist load. Not only does it reinforce the fist, you can strike with a hammer fist (bottom of the hand) or a reverse hammerfist (top, or thumb side of the hand while closed) or you can slap open handed, chin jab with it, etc. Added to which if you are fortunate enough to grab the attacker, you have something that actually makes tired old wrist and finger locks come alive.
This nifty thing was something I pointed out to James some time ago from Hatsumi Sensei's book (now out of print, find a copy) "Stickfighting." It was used for eda koppo bone breaking techniques. Just a little wooden palm stick that I thought would be neat constructed out of Titanium. It is high speed, low drag.
So, if you have this versatile little tool that fades to nothing at night on a city street, you can walk down the street with your hand in your pocket, or in plain view and only the sharpest folks would even notice it.
Put it in one of the pockets of the Double Bandando...then try some things that have been written about on here. Again, we take a step back to the Japanese Arts...try to pick up a copy of Gruzanski's "Spike & Chain." (again, out of print, you beginning to see a pattern? Sorry...) Grizanski's work was never the final word on the manrikigusari/kusarifundo Japanese Weighted Chain, but it is a good place to start.
High speed stuff that will work with this combination Koppo and Bandando would be Jim Keating's Comtech Bandana Video...
JSP Bandandos are extremely tough, extra reinforcements and they shine when doing this stuff...
Then you could get another Koppo, carry one in each hand, put them both in a Double Pocket Bandando (velcro closed pocket on each end) and away you go.
I have 2 Koppos, 1 Pocket Meteor, 1 12 inch pointed Wang Bo, 1 pointed 8 inch Ban Bog and a regular 8 inch Ban Bog stick...a few of the original Bandandos and one of the new double pocket Bandandos...all of the stuff is great. 2 V-Gar Systems...and a partridge in a pear tree...
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Eda-K,
Did you ever read Fairbairn's book, "Get Tough?"
In it, he listed as an improvised fist load, using a reverse hammerfist strike, the thumb side of the hammerfist, a little, wooden matchbox. The matchbox would be flush with the flesh. This, most people believe now, was psychological. That if someone thought that somehow, some way, this provided some sort of powerful blow...much like you can drive a drinking straw through a potato or melon with your hand...the blow would be a knockout blow. Most people now think it was psychological that the Defender would really "let loose" and hit harder than hell.
So, the thinner diameter notwithstanding, I get your point and agree actually...it is still probably going to be effective as a fistload as you are concentrating on clenching the fist even more. I don't have a problem with it, and you don't either.
Possibly the use of "reinforced" was a poor choice! Thanks for pointing it out.
Did you ever read Fairbairn's book, "Get Tough?"
In it, he listed as an improvised fist load, using a reverse hammerfist strike, the thumb side of the hammerfist, a little, wooden matchbox. The matchbox would be flush with the flesh. This, most people believe now, was psychological. That if someone thought that somehow, some way, this provided some sort of powerful blow...much like you can drive a drinking straw through a potato or melon with your hand...the blow would be a knockout blow. Most people now think it was psychological that the Defender would really "let loose" and hit harder than hell.
So, the thinner diameter notwithstanding, I get your point and agree actually...it is still probably going to be effective as a fistload as you are concentrating on clenching the fist even more. I don't have a problem with it, and you don't either.
Possibly the use of "reinforced" was a poor choice! Thanks for pointing it out.
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Eda,
Thank the Japanese and Hatsumi Sensei for putting it in the book! I just thought it would be nice in Titanium!
Thanks for the link Dude. No pictures of the Kusari Fundo though which is sad. Do you have one from him? I have a line on a great Kusari from someone else, and I have one from Bud Malmstrom too, always looking for another nice one. Let me know if you have a picture of one of this guy's. PLUS, he has Octagonal Hanbo in hardwoods, a must have item in my book. Thanks again!
Thank the Japanese and Hatsumi Sensei for putting it in the book! I just thought it would be nice in Titanium!
Thanks for the link Dude. No pictures of the Kusari Fundo though which is sad. Do you have one from him? I have a line on a great Kusari from someone else, and I have one from Bud Malmstrom too, always looking for another nice one. Let me know if you have a picture of one of this guy's. PLUS, he has Octagonal Hanbo in hardwoods, a must have item in my book. Thanks again!
i like that stuff- the Etta Kopo and the Fundo. Quick questions: why is the Etta Kopo's finger loop not centered? (i made a Koppo stick from rolled steel and centered the loop). also, what's the Fundo made of- is it chain or rope?
i made my own pocket meteor- just get some heavy cement-type stuff from the hardware store. then get a AAA maglite (they're around 4" and have an end cap to loop a strong ring through). take out the AAA battery and pour the stuff in there and make sure the top (bulb part) is cemented in place too- it won't come off easily then. want a heavier one- try the double AA flashlight. Whammo!
i made my own pocket meteor- just get some heavy cement-type stuff from the hardware store. then get a AAA maglite (they're around 4" and have an end cap to loop a strong ring through). take out the AAA battery and pour the stuff in there and make sure the top (bulb part) is cemented in place too- it won't come off easily then. want a heavier one- try the double AA flashlight. Whammo!
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Finally I got my Pocket Meteor. It was well made and so smooth, let me wonder if I really want to use it to hit anything. I am hinking to attache it with a longer lanyard or just replace the short one, so I can use it as a rope dart. If you are interested, there is an excellent book you can get online: Soft Weapons - Nine-Section Whip and Rope Dart. The web site: www.china-guide.com. Select "Book", then "Qigong & Wushu". Few pages down you will find this book ($9.95).
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Thanks for the book recommendation. Soft Weapons arrived today and it looks very good.
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You are welcom, Colin. Hope you like the book.
I haven't got a chance to find a good quality paracord yet. I may need to find double size paracord as the original one. It must be fun to have a longer lanyard. I am still using the lanyard which came with the Pocket Meteor. I put a key ring on the end of the lanyard. Put a badge clip on my key ring and make it very easy to attach to the Meteor.
WMK
I haven't got a chance to find a good quality paracord yet. I may need to find double size paracord as the original one. It must be fun to have a longer lanyard. I am still using the lanyard which came with the Pocket Meteor. I put a key ring on the end of the lanyard. Put a badge clip on my key ring and make it very easy to attach to the Meteor.
WMK
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i found some really decent double thick paracord at our local mountain-climbing store (doubles as a diving store). i used it recently for the holes on an Ironwood palm stick from Michael Enad- the cord makes it damn near unbreakable. i don't know what type of flexible weapon you're talking about (sorry to jump right in) but this stuff is nice!...
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i found some really decent double thick paracord at our local mountain-climbing store (doubles as a diving store). i used it recently for the holes on an Ironwood palm stick from Michael Enad- the cord makes it damn near unbreakable. i don't know what type of flexible weapon you're talking about (sorry to jump right in) but this stuff is nice!...
[This message has been edited by KELT34 (edited 08-14-2000).]