Long time lurker, first time poster here. I signed up specifically to express my views about the nature of the conversation that's occuring here on this subforum regarding Survive's business practice.
I've already received two knives from Survive! and am waiting on a presale 7/7, F2nd 2.7 and I have also paid a deposit on an SK6 so I'm invested in what happens to Survive.
It's frustrating to read people speak so emphatically about what is ultimately speculation, regardless of whether there is some reasonable grounds for that speculation. It's still a leap in thinking beyond what the facts tell us we can say with certainty though. Speculation should be expressed tentatively especially in these circumstances with lots at risk. I'm not saying that heads should be buried in the sand. Survive! is definitely open to some serious criticism. I am saying though that people should be careful, especially if they aren't invested themselves, in contributing to circumstances that they assume are already occuring but might only end up occuring because of what they say and how they say it. We have to remember what is most important here and that is people not losing out completely, which is far worse than having to endure the working dysfunction of Survive!. You may perceive that something inappropriate is happening, which might make you understandably upset but please respect the outcomes for others that may well follow from your actions when they go beyond what is helpful or contributory. Constructive criticism can be respectful, collected and rationally respect the limits of what can actually reasonally be said and in what way. Emotive or negative criticism can begin as or look like constructive criticism but it ends communicating unhelpful emotions and doesn't respect the limits of what can reasonably be said based on what's knowable at that time. The former promotes a healthy exploration of what's happening but the latter just presses on people's emotions and promotes irrationality, something which I've found myself getting caught up in from time to time on here.
Additionally, I want to say that I think that trying to get your money back at this point, especially out of fear, could cause you and others to lose out on both knives and money depending on where Survive! is at. The best thing we can do for ourselves and each other, with the knowledge that the refund requests are damaging Survive's functioning is not pursue them and accept the waits and risks as they stand because we appreciate the alternative as more risky with obviously much worse consequences. Asking for a refund for yourself at this point may undermine Survive's ability to get knives out to the next people. I'm not saying these circumstances are right or fair but they are where we find ourselves at present and we just have to deal with it in the best possible way. To put it another way, if a significant exodus occurs due to fear it might take 10% of all knife refunds to cause 90% of all other knife payments to be lost. Those are random numbers I've made up but there must be a threshold where a certain amount of refunds - presumably less than more - cause everyone else still invested to lose out. If you were one of those 10% it could even stop you getting your refund if it totally impedes the cash flow before they get to you.
Survive! have made some serious errors and that isn't open to debate unless you're in denial but what is open to debate is how we proceed as a group at this juncture in order to ensure our financial investments individualy and collectively are protected. It isn't nor should it be your responsibility to compensate for Survive's mistakes but the fact is that we're in a situation where treading carefully in what we say, whilst still being honest, and the decisions we make about our money may have significant meaning for other people in the same situation from the same community.
If you are going to accuse others of lying, you should have your facts straight to begin with. or do you consider 1 year and maybe 6 months to really be 2-3 years?
