Possible Fake Green Beret

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I need a little advice from you good folks. My father and I were talking with a fella that is involved with my son's Boy Scout troop. This guy is fairly well known around our town and he claims to be an ex-Green Beret that served during Vietnam. My father did serve in Vietnam as a Navy corpsman with the Marines. The guy we were speaking with has been in the local paper a few times, marched in our local parades wearing his old uniform and a chest full of medals, ect.

To make a long story short, my father later said that this guy was lying about everything. The places this guy said he was didn't jive with the time he supposedly served, and he generally felt the guy was full of s**t. This is something that I have felt since I first met him, but I couldn't prove it.

My question is this, is there a resource available to check on who are the fakes and who really served in the Special Forces? Because he is so involved with the Boy Scouts, this really makes me concerned.

Thanks
 
Not everyone shows up on that site. My father in law was in RVN with the 173rd ABN BDE and it doesn't list him.

Just ask him what unit he was with, what A team number, what B team did that fall under, etc. Google search it, as most of 5th Groups activities in country are available on the net.
 
Boy that POW network really is something. The scum that they have exposed makes me cringe. Some of those characters couldn't spell to save their skins. Easy to spot, they were the ones that drooled.


On the other side of the coin, our retired partner died just over a year back. I had worked with him for 10yrs, always knew him as the Col. Excellent Architect who only once mentioned the war (WWII) when we were arguing one lunch time about the morality of Hiroshima. He piped up, would you rather have to parachute into Japan, I really wouldn't? That and he had been rumoured to be SAS was all we ever knew,,,


Here is his Eulogy care of the British Telegraph:

Colonel Ken Harvey, who has died aged 80, won a DSO for his part in a daring raid on a German corps headquarters behind enemy lines in Italy in 1945.
In the spring of that year Operation Tombola was launched to harass German troops in their withdrawal. One of the targets was the enemy 51st Corps HQ, based at two villas near Albinea, south of Réggio Nell'Emilia, and protected by Spandau machine-gun posts sited at strategic points.
The raid by SAS commandos, Italian partisans and escaped Russian prisoners was launched to the sound of Highland Laddie, played by a piper in a slit trench.
Harvey, a lieutenant attached to 3 Squadron, 2nd SAS, commanded by Major Roy Farran, was ordered to attack the Villa Calvi.
After approaching unseen in the moonlight on March 26, Harvey led 10 British parachutists against the villa. First, he killed two German sentries on the lawn; then his men unit burst into the villa after blowing in the front door with a bazooka bomb.
Four more Germans were killed on the ground floor, but others fought back gallantly, sweeping the grounds with machine-gun fire and rolling grenades down the spiral staircase. Confronted in the darkness by a German with a Schmeisser sub-machine gun, Harvey ducked but failed to extinguish his torch. Fortunately a sergeant reacted quickly and fired over his shoulder.
The ground floor was taken - but when Harvey realised that he could not force the staircase in the 20 minutes allowed him, he lit a big fire in the operations room with the aid of petrol and explosives. The wounded were evacuated, and the Germans on the first floor were pinned down by bazooka and machine-gun fire until the villa was well ablaze.
The whole area was now in a state of high alarm, with Harvey and his men coming under intense fire as they withdrew. He guided his party, which included two wounded men, through heavy concentrations of enemy troops back to the safety of the mountains.
It was discovered afterwards that the 51st Corps chief of staff was among the enemy casualties; also, a German general was killed in a raid on the second villa. Harvey was awarded the DSO, the citation stating that he had inflicted grievous damage on the German Army from Bologna to Massa on the coast.
The son of a shopkeeper, Kenneth Gordon Harvey was born on December 7 1924 at Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia, and educated at Milton Junior and Senior schools, where he was acknowledged to be bright but not academic.
On leaving school, he spent nine months with the Rhodesian Railways, then enlisted as soon as he could. In 1943 he joined the King's Royal Rifle Corps as a private, and served in Egypt and Palestine. He was commissioned into the Seaforth Highlanders and, after a chance meeting with Farran, volunteered to join the SAS.
During Operation Tombola, he escorted seven American airmen, who had been shot down during a raid on Bologna, through the German lines to link up with the Allied forces, and then returned to his unit in enemy-occupied territory.
He was troubled by the suffering of the SAS wounded who could not be given proper treatment and were often transported on ladders. So he raided a German hospital, and commandeered a Mercedes ambulance and an Opel staff car complete with its driver. He subsequently sold the car in Florence on the black market, and spent the proceeds on a three-day party after his return to England.
After the war ended, Harvey was demobilised and returned to Africa, going up to Witwatersrand University, Johannesburg, to read Architecture. His time with the Seaforths had given him a great affection for the bagpipes and Highland dances; while an undergraduate he enrolled in the Transvaal Scottish.
Harvey returned to Bulawayo in 1951 as a partner in a firm of architects, but never completely settled into civilian life. He subsequently joined the 2nd Battalion, Royal Rhodesia Regiment, and took command in 1962 in the rank of lieutenant-colonel.
Harvey saw active service in Nyasaland (now Malawi) in 1959, when he helped to suppress riots which had broken out in protest at the colony being linked to Northern and Southern Rhodesia to form the Central African Federation.
He commanded Operation Wetdawn, a sweep of villages known to harbour African nationalists. This nipped a possible rebellion in the bud, and Harvey was appointed MBE (military) for "loyal and meritorious service". Subsequently he served as honorary colonel of the Rhodesian SAS.
A modest, friendly man, Harvey continued working as an architect after Rhodesia gained its independence as Zimbabwe in 1980. He established a large practice and designed many of the office buildings in Harare and Bulawayo.
Harvey was deputy chairman of the Central Africa Power Corporation for many years. As chairman of the Zimbabwe Legion, he worked hard to help ex-servicemen, particularly those whose savings were destroyed by hyperinflation. In his spare time he was a keen philatelist.
Despite the onset of cancer, he was most reluctant to leave the country, but was eventually persuaded to move to a retirement home in Cape Town. There he struck up a friendship with another resident, Ian Smith, the former Rhodesian prime minister.
Ken Harvey died on December 3. He married, in 1951, Luna Klopper, who predeceased him; he is survived by their three daughters.
 
I was born in 1946, and grew up surrounded by WWII vets.
Not one of them were given to talking about their battle ecperiences. They would occasionally have interesting tales about basic training, but the conversation seemed to stop at the waters' edge.
 
My grandfather mentioned D-day once....he cried when he did..most of his buddies died on that day...He won a bronze star. When he passed away we found it stuffed in a old envelope in a box of pictures up in the attic...

anyone who fakes something like that should be hung..
 
Well I don't believe he is a Chester. The Boy Scouts organization does do a criminal background check on anyone doing sleepovers. I live in Texas, and they have a very good data base on sex offenders, he's not on it.

My main concern is, I don't want a filthy, lying, BS artist influencing my kids. I am, and almost every male member of my family are Honorably discharged veterans. This is not something I take lightly.
 
try to ask him some basic questions. mos? locations of training? (jump school, ranger, sf [demo, comm.,med., or light arms]) also some sop's (standard operating procedures [ambush, rallypoints, insertion/extraction techniques, standard kit, order of movement [point, navigator, team leader, comm., medic, assist. team leader]). alot of these bs artist will not be able to answer some of these basic questions. example: "what is a pathfinder?" answer: the people who prepare and mark the drop zone prior to a airborne operation, also assisting in drop.

or better yet, get a real sf operator (prior service, actve) to do this. the bs artist will be sniffed out pretty quick.

bs posers suck!
 
They're very easy to figure out, if you know what to ask. POW network has some good info, and with a little research, you can figure out what to ask. Every generation of my family has veterans, some of whom went through hell in previous wars, and others who didn't come home. Those who did come home, never talked about it much, if at all.

I absolutely hate posers.

thx - cpr
 
Those guys rarely talk. My dad did some pretty unusual stuff in the late 50's when he was stationed in France (before DeGaulle kicked us out) and he never talked about some of his misadventures until a couple of years ago, some of which relate to decidedly substandard performance by troops of one of our current NATO allies that they probably wouldn't like to have out in the open...lol. He also said that the records of some of this time in the Army do not appear on the regular files in St. Louis. There is a gap in his service. The couple of Vietnam era SF guys that I have talked to tell some pretty stange stories and none of them involved anything remotely mall ninja-esque. But a couple regarding their experience leading Montagnard units have sounded a bit like milder versions of the Kurtz story from Apocalypse Now.....lol You generally have to pry stuff out of these guys and they will normally no talk to complete strangers about there service. My grandfather was a combat engineer/staff guy in both WW1 and 2 and the only stories that I ever heard were about the funny everyday stuff. The only "combat" stuff he ever talked about was seeing where the shells from the "Paris Gun" had hit. Yet, before my uncle died, he gave us some pics taken after hostilities has ceased and one was of my grandfather standing on the rear parapet of a trench with a very somber look on his face and in the background you could see the lunar lanscape of the Western Front that we are all now so familar with from books, films, etc. Same with New Guinea. He was on McArthur's staff and all I ever heard about was funny stories about crocodiles until I was 17 or so. Even then, he sent me a book about the Buna-Gona campaign, which was extremely nasty, and the only comment was a note saying. "This is where we were. General Eichelberger (MacArthur's ground commander on the Kokoda trail/Buna/Gona campaign), who is mentioned in here , was a good friend of mine:
 
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