Processing slabs of wood.

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How do you guys go about determining where to cut slabs of wood? I was just given a bunch of olive wood and obviously want to get the highest yield. The slabs are 1-1/4" thick and I have a couple smaller pieces that are good scale thickness. I'm going to try and get some good Bowie blocks out of it. I plan to get this over to K and G for stabilizing if it's really necessary. Obviously I'm sure there's voids that I'll encounter. Any suggestions are welcomed. To cut them I'm planning to use my waterjet as I can pierce and cut anywhere on the slab without wasting pieces.

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Wow some nice stuff there Kevin. Local from down there?
 
Really nice! I love olive wood. On stuff like that i take a typical 5.5 x 2 block and use it as a template to lay out the most full size cuts as i can, then cut them out with a bandsaw. Then with the leftovers i cut half length pieces for bolsters or two piece handles, and last i cut live edge pieces that i can cast together with resin like shockwood.
 
Wow some nice stuff there Kevin. Local from down there?
I am assuming. At the school where I teach welding, they have a very large fine woodworking program with a saw mill. They constantly need stuff welded so this was given to me by them.

Really nice! I love olive wood. On stuff like that i take a typical 5.5 x 2 block and use it as a template to lay out the most full size cuts as i can, then cut them out with a bandsaw. Then with the leftovers i cut half length pieces for bolsters or two piece handles, and last i cut live edge pieces that i can cast together with resin like shockwood.
I planned on waterjetting a sheet metal square template to layout and cut my bowie blocks. The water jet cuts wood so easy that I don't see why I shouldn't use it other than the wood will gain some moisture in the process. Do you cast your own stuff? I may look into getting setup for stabilizing and casting but that's a whole hobby in and of itself. I already have too many.
 
I cast and stabilize but for the money I prefer to have K&G do most of the stabilizing. Better product too. I only stabilize now things too fragile to mail or extremely porous materials.

The casting is easy. I have some buckeye that needs to be cast, hopefully today. I will take pictures and do a WIP when I get there.
 
I don't think waterjetting wood will be a good idea. A band or table saw is simple enough.

When laying out a slab of root burl or wood with defects like yours, I use a clear piece of plastic the size of the desired blocks. I move it around and position it to mark the very best pieces first. Then I try to find other places that are worthwhile. I don't waste time and money trying to get the maximum yield. It is far better to get five great blocks than ten mediocre ones. The rest goes into the firewood box. Every year we have our $1000 fire on Christmas day. I burn all the trimmings and reject blocks for hours. Often there are two trash barrels of it. I spent a lot on that wood, but the good part is what I was after. The rest is only good for the fire.

If the blocks are at odd angles to each other, plan the cuts so you don't sacrifice any good places. I usually saw through all the bad places after marking the desired blocks to make smaller pieces to work with.
 
I was about to say. The first and most important step is to WAY lower your expectations for the yield and realize you are going to end up with a big pile of pricy scrap.
 
^^^What Stacy and GW said... When I cut apart blocks, I figure out where I want the nicest figure to come from. Even if it means scrapping out more material than I'd like, I may take one nice block out of the middle of a piece, trimming off the sides, instead of splitting the piece in half. Sometimes you have to drive down the middle of the road!
 
I'd never even considered waterjetting wood - how wide a scarf does the waterjet have in wood?

Stacy, since he's got the waterjet for free (isn't that true?), is there a good reason to use bandsaw rather than waterjet?

I LOVE Olive wood - I order some from old trees that have been cut in Israel, Bethlehem, etc where I get the certificate of authenticity with the wood. I make a copy to print on the knife certificate of authenticity - my family and friends really like the Bethlehem origin - it means something special to them.

Ken H>
 
I cut a template out of plexi the size I wanted the Blocks to be. This allowed me to plan where I wanted my cuts. I got quite a bit out of it. I will draw another square the size of scales and come more later. For now my office smells like olives. The cut takes 59 seconds.
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cut quality of waterjet vs the saw mill. waterjet is on the right.
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I've read advice on the forum that when preparing wood for stabilization you should cut it slightly oversize. I wondering how much oversize it should be and and what is the reason for doing it?

- Paul Meske
 
It can warp when it's cured and you'll need to square it up again.
 
My worry was injecting moisture under pressure inton the wood. That can cause cracks to form just a fast as sudden drying. I would let the blocks dry for 3-6 months before using or stabilizing. Olive loves to warp and crack.
 
All the pressure goes straight through the kerf. I have had issues with laminates like carbon fiber in the past. Wood cuts very easy. 55,000 psi with abrasive media through soft wood, there's not much deflection. I'll have the moisture content checked in a couple days and report back. The wood was kiln dried before I got it. The blocks were drying out very quickly after I got done cutting.
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I would cut it up if only because it's easier to work before stabilizing.
 
Say you had a 3" x 3" x 12" turning block. Do you need to cut it down into individual pieces or can the whole block be stabilized as is?

I was told by K&G that anything under 1 1/2 inches thickness is recommended, so I take that as the resin will penetrate ~ 3/4 inch deep. I may be wrong for all I know, but I may be right.
~billyO
 
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The thickness of the penetration is most affected by the density of the wood and the length of time under pressure. The harder and heavier the wood is, the closer to finish size you want it. I used to send 3X6X12 blocks of buckeye burl to WSSI and the resin went through and through. I even had big and long blocks of persimmon and maple done. K&G uses a different chamber, and they can't do as large or long a block. What K&G can do that WSSI can't is turn the wood around in a reasonable time frame. I just sent 70# of wood to Ken at K&G.

The primary thing that the wood need before stabilization ids to be DRY. Most state "below 10%", but below 7% is far wiser. Some woods have a convoluted grain, and will warp easily. These need to be 1.5" thick, and may warp or crack even then. Olive is one of those woods. I think it is partly due to the oils in the wood expanding and applying pressure during the heated curing cycle. Redwood burl will tear open all sorts of voids and cracks and warp for the same reason.

I find warp greatly increases as the wood gets below 1" thick. If planning on cutting scales, cut the blocks something like 5X1.5X6". This will still get full penetration, but prevent warp. When back from stabilizing, trim one 5" end square, and then slice into scales like a loaf of bread. This will give unwarped sets of matched scales. I often send wood that will become handle blocks at the same size, and trim four to five handle blocks from it. Another benefit from slicing your scales or blocks from larger pieces of stabilized wood is that the cut surfaces are all flat and parallel, and they are reasonably smooth ... showing the pattern without having to sand every block.
 
I don't think waterjetting wood will be a good idea. A band or table saw is simple enough.

When laying out a slab of root burl or wood with defects like yours, I use a clear piece of plastic the size of the desired blocks. I move it around and position it to mark the very best pieces first. Then I try to find other places that are worthwhile. I don't waste time and money trying to get the maximum yield. It is far better to get five great blocks than ten mediocre ones. The rest goes into the firewood box. Every year we have our $1000 fire on Christmas day. I burn all the trimmings and reject blocks for hours. Often there are two trash barrels of it. I spent a lot on that wood, but the good part is what I was after. The rest is only good for the fire.

If the blocks are at odd angles to each other, plan the cuts so you don't sacrifice any good places. I usually saw through all the bad places after marking the desired blocks to make smaller pieces to work with.

Wouldn't' pen turners find something usable in that barrel ?
 
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