Proper reassembly of rat-1 folder

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dkhaliel

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This is my first post though I have read much info here and thought I was knowledgeable enough to take apart and reassemble a RAT-1 knife.

Well, the first part (dis-assembly) went fine. It is the putting back together (properly) that has me bamboozled.

When I reassemble the knife with the 3 Teflon washers and two bronze washers I have the following two problems:

1. The closed blade wants to rub against the metal liner that is on the opposite side from the lock and not sit in the middle of is slot in its closed position.

2. Tightening and loosening the handle torx screws nearest the blade have an effect on the grips on how tight the blade is and whether it deploys easily or not, as does the pivot screws as they are supposed to do.

When I reassemble the knife I place 1 Teflon washer over the pivot pin on the liner lock side, then 1 bronze washer, then 1 Teflon washer then insert the blade on the pin. On the opposite side of the blade, away from the liner lock, I place 1 Teflon washer next to the blade on the pivot pin then the bronze washer then the metal liner.

After that I line all the holes up and attach the handles on both sides first, then the pivot pin screws.

I have tried moving the extra Teflon washer from one side to the other, tightening the pivot pin screws BEFORE putting on the handles and still no joy.

I am assuming that at least two of the Teflon washers go next to the blade, one on each side.


Thanks for your ideas and thoughts and any help you can give me.

Dave K
 
texastonydobbs said:
I can not help you but may I suggest never take things apart for no reason.:D
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...however, I did not take it apart for no reason. I simply saw no reason to talk about disassembly when I was asking about reassembly.

Fact is, even though I knew the knife was not broken in yet, to me at least the liner lock seemed unnaturally hard to "unlock". So much so that, though I could not see one, I though there might be a burr on the tip of the lock or the part of the blade that the lock engages. If so a few strokes of the felt wheel of the Dremel (a tool with which I do have a bit of experience) might just solve the problem.

Now here is my triple mea culpa. First, there was no burr. Second, the liner lock spring is obviously as very robustly built as the rest of the knife. And third, I should have voiced my concerns to RAT Cutlery.

I donno'. It just seemed that telling my rescuers why I jumped into the well had no bearing on how the hell I was going to get out.

Dave K
 
Brad "the butcher";7784977 said:
One of the farmers 10 commandments as per Gramps....

" IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT "

hope you figure it out.
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...but see reply to Texastony

Dave K
 
Well, first off, the RAT 1 folder isn't a RAT Cutlery product, it was made by Ontario Knife Co. Secondly, let me see if I can find my torx set and I'll tell you what order the washers go in.

EDIT: Ok, near as I can figure it, from liner-lock side to the other, it goes Brass, Teflon, Teflon, blade, Teflon, Brass. Good luck!
 
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dkhaliel said:
...however, I did not take it apart for no reason. I simply saw no reason to talk about disassembly when I was asking about reassembly.

Fact is, even though I knew the knife was not broken in yet, to me at least the liner lock seemed unnaturally hard to "unlock". So much so that, though I could not see one, I though there might be a burr on the tip of the lock or the part of the blade that the lock engages. If so a few strokes of the felt wheel of the Dremel (a tool with which I do have a bit of experience) might just solve the problem.

Now here is my triple mea culpa. First, there was no burr. Second, the liner lock spring is obviously as very robustly built as the rest of the knife. And third, I should have voiced my concerns to RAT Cutlery.

I donno'. It just seemed that telling my rescuers why I jumped into the well had no bearing on how the hell I was going to get out.

Dave K
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If you still need help, I suggest that you pm cotdt. I know that he has disassembled and reassembled one.
 
dkhaliel said:
Now here is my triple mea culpa. First, there was no burr. Second, the liner lock spring is obviously as very robustly built as the rest of the knife. And third, I should have voiced my concerns to RAT Cutlery.


Dave K
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Actually, should have talked with Ontario about that. It is not a RAT Cutlery product. ;)
 
I don't own a RAT-1 but I think I can help you out with your problem #1.

Being a liner lock, the lock bar pushes up against the blade in the closed position and this will force the tip to be pushed up against the side. To fix this, loosen up the pivot screw and then push the blade back against the lock bar while re-tightening the screw. This will counteract the force of the lockbar pushing the blade and keep it centered.
 
teflon and pb washers on the same knife? huh thats a wierd design, gonna go take one apart ;)
 
dkhaliel said:
...however, I did not take it apart for no reason. I simply saw no reason to talk about disassembly when I was asking about reassembly.

Fact is, even though I knew the knife was not broken in yet, to me at least the liner lock seemed unnaturally hard to "unlock". So much so that, though I could not see one, I though there might be a burr on the tip of the lock or the part of the blade that the lock engages. If so a few strokes of the felt wheel of the Dremel (a tool with which I do have a bit of experience) might just solve the problem.

Now here is my triple mea culpa. First, there was no burr. Second, the liner lock spring is obviously as very robustly built as the rest of the knife. And third, I should have voiced my concerns to RAT Cutlery.

I donno'. It just seemed that telling my rescuers why I jumped into the well had no bearing on how the hell I was going to get out.

Dave K
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if you had one with a tight liner lock you had a good one,most people had one that the liner lock was not strong enough ... again nothing wrong with it...like I stated even though it is an Ontario product.hope you fix it
 
texastonydobbs said:
if you had one with a tight liner lock you had a good one,most people had one that the liner lock was not strong enough ... again nothing wrong with it...like I stated even though it is an Ontario product.hope you fix it
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Really? I have only handled my own, but I always felt it was a really solid knife, more so than any of my other folders. It restored my faith in liner locks!
 
jsdvnc said:
Well, first off, the RAT 1 folder isn't a RAT Cutlery product, it was made by Ontario Knife Co. Secondly, let me see if I can find my torx set and I'll tell you what order the washers go in.

EDIT: Ok, near as I can figure it, from liner-lock side to the other, it goes Brass, Teflon, Teflon, blade, Teflon, Brass. Good luck!
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By shuffling the washers around and tightening the pivot screws more the blade finally centered. Lockup still feel a bit stout to me but I guess it just needs some more use.

Sorry about coming into the wrong forum. I had forgotten that the knife was an Ontario product. Just one of the things that make an noob a noob. All I can say is, "Doh".

And thanks again for your help. :)
 
dkhaliel said:
Sorry about coming into the wrong forum. I had forgotten that the knife was an Ontario product. Just one of the things that make an noob a noob. All I can say is, "Doh".
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Edited....

(it wasn't anything bad)
 
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Dylside said:
Don't worry about it. I think that people have been pointing that out a little too much lately. Personally I think that this is the right place to ask questions like that. Considering that the Ontario Rat knives were designed by the RAT Cutlery folks, THERE IS NO ONTARIO RAT forum so no "right place to ask", and since most of the old heads around here started with Ontario Rat products before RAT Cutlery came to be, I think this most certainly is the correct forum.

I think some people around here are getting a little too elitist. I'm not pointing any fingers are trying to start any crap. Just remember guys, in the beginning, one of the things that made the RAT group so great was that we were accepting of anyone that wasn't a douche or an idiot, even let a few slide on that one, whether they owned a RC product or not.

Am I wrong here?
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I welcome anyone to the forum but Technically this did belong in the General section ,http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=794
and I see it there too , (http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=710495) I could of moved it but I figured someone would of helped out,plus if I would of locked it the people would of thought I locked it due to Ontario or RAT1 folder and not knowing he had the same thread going at the same time in the general section as well... .... I dont mind it but now you have the same thread in two sections of BF
 
Frankly Dlyan, yea, your wrong.

The distinction between manufacturers needs to be made as clear as possible as to keep confusion to a minimum.

We need to make sure that product quality claims are made to the proper manufacturer.

If a broken blade from Ontario comes in to RAT for repair or replacement, the customer is out shipping costs and time.

Anyone is indeed accepted and welcomed, as are their Ontario knives, but the distinction needs to be clear that it's not a RAT cutlery product.

I think the response to his question was more than friendly and helpful enough.
 
I see you guys's points.



You guys are the Greatest too ! :thumbup:
 
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"Last edited by texastonydobbs; Today at 03:26 PM. Reason: I fixed it for you"

Yeah I appreciate that.

Slick move. LOL. Ahh to be a moderator.
 
A guy comes to the Rat Forum with a question and the mod gives him some smart alec answer. Real nice.
 
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