Purchasing a Used Canoe?

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I was just killing time and surfing around craigslist when I realized that canoe's are rather cheap. The lowest asking price I saw was around the 200 mark and the highest was around 700. Granted I haven't used a canoe in years, but I recall that I rather enjoyed it, and because my area seems to have plenty decent size rivers I'm thinking about purchasing one. However, I have no idea about the differences between a good canoe and a bad canoe, and I'm not in the habit of believing every word about the condition of the canoe from the person selling it. What should I look at when examining a canoe?
 
I am in a similar situation. The first thing I did was to decide upon how I was going to use it. That narrowed my choices down to a manageable number. The good news is that it is hard to hide any kind of substantial damage to a canoe and a lot of damage can be repaired. So how will you be using it?
 
I agree. First decide what you want to use it for. One person or two? A brief occasional day paddle on a pond, or overnight camping trips on moving water. Then, look at the available materials used to construct them. Is weight a concern? Stability? Capacity? Ease of repair? Then when you have something in mind, go look at some good-sounding deals. Bent aluminum gunnels aren't hard to straighten. Thwarts and seats are easy to replace. Have the price of those items in mind when you shop. I would say avoid the current big box store plastic canoes, but for a first canoe, one might be just the ticket. Particularly if it can be had far below retail with tax and is in good condition. Good luck with your search!
 
Fiberglass is easy to repair but if the boat is 50 years old (my own, bought new, is from 1970) the glass will have become glaze-cracked all over. I happen to really enjoy canoes and canoeing and have lusted over Chestnut canvas-cover cedar strip models for many decades. But these are impractical for most folks, easy to damage and require annual maintenance. Aluminum is downright cold and noisy. Kevlar (get out your wallet!) is super-light, Royalex is a type of durable/resilient plastic that also ain't cheap and then there are indestructible plastic boats (Coleman etc) that masquerade as canoes but are really just current versions of Old Pal aluminum transporters that don't do much more than float and sort of move forward, and not tip, when you paddle them.
What you want is something with some draught and a decent beam (high sides, not too round bottom and wide (36") middle). Cheap canoes have neither! You gotta understand that a 14 foot boat is a merely a 16 footer with 2 feet removed from the middle, meaning there ain't much room left for baggage. 12s and 14s are great as singles but not much else. 17s are at the beginning of 'freighter class' and not all that useful for ordinary folk.
Best is if you can test drive your potential purchase. First it will prove whether there are leaks or not, two whether it is tippy or not, and three; whether it can carry 500 lb of ballast (which you use to test) while you're out there, to see if it is solely a pleasure craft or whether it actually be used to transport passengers/kids/gear/firewood/dead moose etc.
On the other hand $200 is not much of a risk and if you don't like and it still floats you can likely move it on again to another sucker without taking a loss.
 
All of these were under $500 each, closer to $350 average.

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Current favorites... Royalex...

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Fiberglass composite...

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I don't think I will be taking any overnight trips, I know It would have to be able to accommodate two people every now and then, and be durable because of the amount of debry I see in the water,
 
Unless you are intent on using it on class II/Class III streams and rivers, I am not aware of any construction that will be damaged by bumping into floating debris at paddling speeds. Submerged rocks maybe, but even then it takes a pretty good impact in a stiff current to do any real damage.
 
For what its worth, this is what I have come up with so far. Most are sold with extras like paddles.

Here are the things that I am considering; size, weight, durability, stability, maintainability, cost, capacity, handling and construction material. I am looking at used canoes. My opinions are based on the research I have done.
Since I am planning on using my canoe for short camping trips solo or tandem I am looking at canoes from 14’ to 16’ with beams from @ 35” to 40” and depths @ 13” – 14”. The capacity of these canoes are typically 700 to 1200 pounds at 6” of freeboard. I'll probably use it for fishing so a quiet canoe would be nice. That being said, if I get a good deal on a larger canoe, I might take it.
I’d like to keep the weight at 60 pounds or less.
The most durable canoes are probably three layer polyethylene followed by Royalex, single layer polyethylene, (composite fiberglass, composite Kevlar, aluminum, Kevlar, hand laid fiberglass), (wood, canvas, shot fiberglass)
I have a good sense of balance so a shallow arch bottom or shallow v followed by a flat bottom are the ones I am interested in.
I pretty much eliminated wood and canvas canoes due to the maintenance required. Also weight becomes an issue. And these canoes are usually works of art (read $$$$). All the other materials are pretty low maintenance. The gunwales, bow, stern and seats require more maintenance if made of wood.
I have seen a number of Coleman and Pelican canoes for $100. They were damaged in some way. I’ve seen a lot more with no damage for $150 - $500. These include canoes like the Old Town Sarnac. These canoes are made from single layer polyethylene. They are heavy for their size. They are durable. They are quiet. Those who use them report that the handling is poor in many cases.
Next are blown fiberglass canoes. I have seen a number, in good condition, at $150 to $250. These are a little heavier than I am interested in. Also, they are not very durable. They are a flat water canoe. But there is a 15’ Fiberlite that I am considering because I might be able to trade for it with 0 cash out of pocket. They are loud.
Hand laid fiberglass and aluminum canoes are usually between $250 and $500. They are durable enough for my use. They are reported to paddle well in most cases. They are loud. They are a little heavier than I’d like.
Three layer polyethylene. These canoes are in the 70 – 90 pound range. But the material imparts a rigidity that allows for a good paddling canoe. They are durable and usable on whitewater. And they are quiet. If weight isn’t an issue I’d consider these to be on par with Royalex. New the cost is about 60% of a Royalex canoe. I’ve seen these canoes in the $350 to $600 range.
Royalex is probably the best choice for me. The ones I have considered have been in the $400 to $600 range. They are durable, usually under 60 pounds, paddle well and they are quiet.
Used Kevlar, fiberglass composites and Kevlar composites are somewhat expensive for my pocketbook. The ones I have seen have been in the $750 and up range.
 
A pretty good overview BoT. But every construction has some advantages depending on intended use.

Even the old aluminum beaters that are everywhere and usually cheap. They are downright handy in that a guy can toss them on sawhorses in the back yard and let them sit for extended periods with no protection or maintenance needed. Almost all of them have some sort of built-in floatation bulkheads. And it is not hard to do repairs if damage is anything short of wrapping it around a rock and squishing it flat. Even then, it is worth it's weight in recycled aluminum. One should note that there are about three different thicknesses of aluminum used over the years, from lightweight to heavyweight. As weight goes up, so does durability (dent and puncture resistance). I would not be opposed to adding a beater aluminum to my fleet as a loaner, or just something to play rocky river "dodgem-car" in. "Bing-bang-boom"!

I like my Old Town "barge", the Guide 169. It is three layers of crosslink poly, pretty resistant to abrasion, quiet, not cold or hot to the touch, long wide and stable. Even Jake (45#) jumping side to side hardly rocks it. Heavy? Yes.

I like my fiberglass composite Bell Morningstar. It's gelcoat finish is not very abrasion resistant, but I keep that in mind as to where and how I use it. It is quite maneuverable, lightweight and fun to paddle.

I like my old Royalex Blue Hole Sunburst II that I recently refurbished. Heavier than aluminum or fiberglass, but not as heavy as poly. And the Royalex lamination is fairly abrasion and impact resistant. The whitewater hull shape makes it a PITA on flat water and in wind. And it isn't stable enough to allow for a randomly moving ballast like Jake. If one wants a ROyalex canoe, he should buy it sooner rather than later. Royalex is slated to be discontinued next spring by the material manufacturer and prices for good used canoes will only increase. FYI, the Royalex lamination sheets have evolved over the years. The earlier ones are heavier with more reenforcement layers. Later ones are thinned out with fewer layers, small reinforcement panels added to the sheets specific to manufacturer and model. Dates of manufacture are generally noted in the "HIN" number stamped into the hull or on an attached plate. The last two digits denote the year.

Blown fiberglass "chopper gun" canoes? Yeah, heavy. But cheap. I had one that I got many miles out of. It was a marine salvage from Hurrican Andrew, and sat sunken in a bayou with grass growing out of it. I got it for a c-note and refurbished it for another c-note. It endured trips on bays and the gulf, and two more hurricanes before I moved back inland and brought it with me. I eventually wore the bottom to leakyness on my rocky fishing streams and was getting ready to do a fiberglass bottom patch when it was stolen. So it worked well for what it was.

Single layer poly? I paddled an early Coleman Ram-X 17 for years, both tandem and solo. It, like the Guide, was heavy and stable, abrasion and dent resistant. Poly is too floppy for a canoe unless it has some structural reenforcement, an aluminum inner frame. And even then it tends to "oil can". But again, for the price and my use, it was a good deal.

The poly box store canoes? Good entry level canoes for casual users. Like the Colemans before them, they need interior structure. Almost all of them have seats which either contact the bottom completely, or have a pedistal of seat plastic contacting the floor. Old Town Sarnac, Bass Pro, Pelican... a lot of entry level canoes are like this nowdays. Obvious cues on CL ads for these are mention of great features like built in cup holders and seat compartments (dry box/ice chest/live well). These are the most frequently listed canoes since they are cheap to buy, and a lot of first timers buy them, only to sell them because of non-use. I actually bought one and brought it home and assembled it some years back. After looking it over closely and considering it, I took it back for a refund and used the money to buy a different canoe elsewhere.
 
This is a great thread. We may move up from our canoe. It is an old style Coleman that I got for $75 off Craigslist. Beat up, but has had plenty of lake use for the family.
 
This is a great thread. We may move up from our canoe. It is an old style Coleman that I got for $75 off Craigslist. Beat up, but has had plenty of lake use for the family.

Coleman's are slow and clunky but you'll be hard pressed to break one! Hunting and fishing up in the arctic my buddy there always sets aside a Coleman specifically for air transport on the floats of a Turbo-Beaver. The pilot can really cinch these down tight compared to a valuable canoe!
 
I'm willing to bet that no matter how beat up it is, you can still get your money back on it (or more) unless it is badly cracked/split. And with a lot of searching, it is very possible to find a suitable upgrade for less boot than one might think. I have less invested right now in my current four together than the Bell alone cost new, even considering the upgrades I have done to them. And no doubt I could sell any of them today for what I have invested in them. Spring is a better time to sell though as more people are looking. But fall and winter are good times to buy.
 
A pretty good overview BoT. But every construction has some advantages depending on intended use.

Even the old aluminum beaters that are everywhere and usually cheap. They are downright handy in that a guy can toss them on sawhorses in the back yard and let them sit for extended periods with no protection or maintenance needed. Almost all of them have some sort of built-in floatation bulkheads. And it is not hard to do repairs if damage is anything short of wrapping it around a rock and squishing it flat. Even then, it is worth it's weight in recycled aluminum. One should note that there are about three different thicknesses of aluminum used over the years, from lightweight to heavyweight. As weight goes up, so does durability (dent and puncture resistance). I would not be opposed to adding a beater aluminum to my fleet as a loaner, or just something to play rocky river "dodgem-car" in. "Bing-bang-boom"!

I like my Old Town "barge", the Guide 169. It is three layers of crosslink poly, pretty resistant to abrasion, quiet, not cold or hot to the touch, long wide and stable. Even Jake (45#) jumping side to side hardly rocks it. Heavy? Yes.

I like my fiberglass composite Bell Morningstar. It's gelcoat finish is not very abrasion resistant, but I keep that in mind as to where and how I use it. It is quite maneuverable, lightweight and fun to paddle.

I like my old Royalex Blue Hole Sunburst II that I recently refurbished. Heavier than aluminum or fiberglass, but not as heavy as poly. And the Royalex lamination is fairly abrasion and impact resistant. The whitewater hull shape makes it a PITA on flat water and in wind. And it isn't stable enough to allow for a randomly moving ballast like Jake. If one wants a ROyalex canoe, he should buy it sooner rather than later. Royalex is slated to be discontinued next spring by the material manufacturer and prices for good used canoes will only increase. FYI, the Royalex lamination sheets have evolved over the years. The earlier ones are heavier with more reenforcement layers. Later ones are thinned out with fewer layers, small reinforcement panels added to the sheets specific to manufacturer and model. Dates of manufacture are generally noted in the "HIN" number stamped into the hull or on an attached plate. The last two digits denote the year.

Blown fiberglass "chopper gun" canoes? Yeah, heavy. But cheap. I had one that I got many miles out of. It was a marine salvage from Hurrican Andrew, and sat sunken in a bayou with grass growing out of it. I got it for a c-note and refurbished it for another c-note. It endured trips on bays and the gulf, and two more hurricanes before I moved back inland and brought it with me. I eventually wore the bottom to leakyness on my rocky fishing streams and was getting ready to do a fiberglass bottom patch when it was stolen. So it worked well for what it was.

Single layer poly? I paddled an early Coleman Ram-X 17 for years, both tandem and solo. It, like the Guide, was heavy and stable, abrasion and dent resistant. Poly is too floppy for a canoe unless it has some structural reenforcement, an aluminum inner frame. And even then it tends to "oil can". But again, for the price and my use, it was a good deal.

The poly box store canoes? Good entry level canoes for casual users. Like the Colemans before them, they need interior structure. Almost all of them have seats which either contact the bottom completely, or have a pedistal of seat plastic contacting the floor. Old Town Sarnac, Bass Pro, Pelican... a lot of entry level canoes are like this nowdays. Obvious cues on CL ads for these are mention of great features like built in cup holders and seat compartments (dry box/ice chest/live well). These are the most frequently listed canoes since they are cheap to buy, and a lot of first timers buy them, only to sell them because of non-use. I actually bought one and brought it home and assembled it some years back. After looking it over closely and considering it, I took it back for a refund and used the money to buy a different canoe elsewhere.

You have quite a few canoes, i think an old aluminum canoe sounds right up my alley
 
You have quite a few canoes, i think an old aluminum canoe sounds right up my alley

I learned in them back in the early 1960's when that was all that was available. And after renting early ROyalex Blue Hole OCA's in the early seventies, nabbed an aluminum beater. I finally moved it on after I had cracked nearly every rib and replaced many rivets. Seems I gave fifty for that one and it was whooped when I got it, but I still got some good use from it. And sold it for enough to pay for half of the next one.

Negatives of aluminum? They stick to rocks if you paddle moving water with rocky bottoms. They do dent and crease, but some massaging with a ball peen hammer and a body dolly can take care of any that bother you. Most have "shoe keels" which aid in tracking straight, but inhibit turning. Aluminum is hot in the sun in summer and cold in winter. As your hand rubs the gunnels when paddling, expect a dark gray coating of aluminum oxide to accumulate on your hand. They are loud. Every paddle bump sounds like a drumbeat.

Still, if found at a good price, if paddled with skill, if used on tamer waters, they are great. Several of them were used in the filming of Deliverance and we ran a lot of wildwater in them shortly afterward. Before the plastic (Royalex) boats came available. And today it is much easier to find someone who can weld aluminum for repairs when required. I suggest not only watching Craigslist, but also chicken-eyeing sheds and backyards as you drive around. A lot of them have lived their lives as "lake boats" and has been forgotten as families grew up and moved away from home, older owners no longer paddling. Some pawn shops buy them too. Just don't pay their asking price, knowing they want to double their money. Offer 1/2 to 2/3rds their asking and be prepared to smile, thank the gent and walk away stuffing your long green back in your pocket.
 
" i think an old aluminum canoe sounds right up my alley "

I have been impressed with the aluminum brazing materials available. It seems like it would be fairly easy to repair most mild to moderate damage to an aluminum canoe with a propane torch and a hammer and some of that solder to seal up busted rivets and rips in the skin. One comment I read was to pay special attention to the buoyancy chambers in the bow and stern. One poster bought an old aluminum canoe just to have a snake come crawling out of a hole in one of the chambers.
 
Still, if found at a good price, if paddled with skill, if used on tamer waters, they are great. Several of them were used in the filming of Deliverance and we ran a lot of wildwater in them shortly afterward. Before the plastic (Royalex) boats came available. And today it is much easier to find someone who can weld aluminum for repairs when required. I suggest not only watching Craigslist, but also chicken-eyeing sheds and backyards as you drive around. A lot of them have lived their lives as "lake boats" and has been forgotten as families grew up and moved away from home, older owners no longer paddling. Some pawn shops buy them too. Just don't pay their asking price, knowing they want to double their money. Offer 1/2 to 2/3rds their asking and be prepared to smile, thank the gent and walk away stuffing your long green back in your pocket.

Thanks for the tips, I will

I have been impressed with the aluminum brazing materials available. It seems like it would be fairly easy to repair most mild to moderate damage to an aluminum canoe with a propane torch and a hammer and some of that solder to seal up busted rivets and rips in the skin. One comment I read was to pay special attention to the buoyancy chambers in the bow and stern. One poster bought an old aluminum canoe just to have a snake come crawling out of a hole in one of the chambers.

good to know
 
If you are interested in aluminum canoes, I would look for an old Grumman. I see them pop up on craigslist and garage sales every so often usually in the 200-300 range and are an excellent value. I had one in college and almost bought another a couple of years ago off craigslist but decided to get a Nucanoe.
 
If you are interested in aluminum canoes, I would look for an old Grumman. I see them pop up on craigslist and garage sales every so often usually in the 200-300 range and are an excellent value. I had one in college and almost bought another a couple of years ago off craigslist but decided to get a Nucanoe.

Saw a 17' for $200, kind of big though
 
I think it's a great idea to get a super-bargain-priced used boat as your first canoe. After you paddle it for a couple of years, you will have a much better idea of what you really want/need, and will be more willing to spend more dough to upgrade. I started with a cheap, flat-bottomed fiberglass monster that I thought, at the time, was just wonderful. After a few years of paddling, I realized there were nicer boats that would better serve my needs. I now have three canoes... a nice Mad River rockered Royalex Light tandem hull for river, duck hunting and light whitewater use (Eclipse), a high-performance Bell carbon/Kevlar tandem cruiser (Northwind), and a long, skinny Bell Kevlar/poly/glass solo cruiser (Magic).

An aluminum hull is a great starting point. A decent one will always have a use, even if you end up buying performance hulls in the future. MichiCraft made a great (although heavy) aluminum hull and it would be my first choice, with the ubiquitous Grumman as my second.

Good paddling,
desmobob
 
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