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Push Dagger law in Missouri
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CCW (in MO) is definitely for guns only, as Ironman stated. Push daggers are considered illegal carry (unless you are a police officer). Most sheathed fixed blades, four inches blades or under are permitted. Carry (of fixed blades) must not be concealed! Local restrictions may alter state regulations.
Well after further investigation I must say that both Ironman & kcBlade are wrong concerning regarding their responses to my question.
Missouri statue 571.010 # 10 defines knife. Missouri statue 571.030 states Unlawful use of weapons--exceptions--penalties.
571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:
(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or etc.
but the later in the statue it states:
4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.
So I can only say to be very wary of the legitamacy of the answers posted in this forum.
Missouri statue 571.010 # 10 defines knife. Missouri statue 571.030 states Unlawful use of weapons--exceptions--penalties.
571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:
(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or etc.
but the later in the statue it states:
4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.
So I can only say to be very wary of the legitamacy of the answers posted in this forum.
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Always be careful of information you get on the internet. "Trust but verify"
(Below is from http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/sta-law.htm )
Montana - 45-8-316. Carrying concealed weapons. (1) Every
person who carries or bears concealed upon his person a
dirk, dagger... sword cane... knife having a blade 4
inches long or longer, razor not including a safety razor,
or other deadly weapon shall be punished by a fine... or
imprisonment...
(Below is from http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/sta-law.htm )
Montana - 45-8-316. Carrying concealed weapons. (1) Every
person who carries or bears concealed upon his person a
dirk, dagger... sword cane... knife having a blade 4
inches long or longer, razor not including a safety razor,
or other deadly weapon shall be punished by a fine... or
imprisonment...
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BTW - why do you want to carry a push dagger? Think most states frown on push daggers...
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It falls under "deadly weapon" there's nothing else you can really use it for.
It is my understanding that the case law as quoted by whochee is partially correct. It was not stated in it totality. However the edited version general premise does have legs. So, in that respect I was wrong. However I did some further investigation. Interpretation is key. If a police officer finds the instrument as a deadly weapon then it is prohibited. Push daggers in many cities through out Missouri is defined as a "cutting instrument for which sole purpose is death or to inflict serious injury".
Statues 571.010 also addresses (not direct quote) any dagger or bladed hand instrument that is readily capable of inflicting serious physical injury or death by cutting or stabbing a person.
I would invite whochee to speak with the Missouri Dept. of Public Safety (888) 394 6377 or with the Attorney General of Missouri Dept. (573) 751 3321. Both representatives I spoke with listed that stilettos, dirks and daggers are legal (under four inches) "only" if carried openly and not considered capable of inflicting serious physical injury or death. Now many sharp instruments can bring about death or serious injury if used. This led me to ask for clarification. The reps from both departments stated it is left to the interpretation of the police officer. Both departments stated that balisongs and push daggers are being reviewed for future legislation.
So, it goes to reason that the outcome of legal ramifications (as literally stated) is dependent on situation and interpretation. Maybe if whochee strolled through various regions of Missouri luck would be on his side. I would exercise caution with the displaying of an instrument that is considered "offensive versus a tool" in the nature of its makeup. However, my omission in my previous post was just that. It was by no means entirely incorrect or misleading. I am not going to debate the issue further. Please purchase a push dagger and take your chances. Best of luck in that regard.
Definitely use your ability to confirm information given to you (no matter the source). It is your obligation as a discerning and hopefully rational adult to do so. It is my obligation to present information with the intent of being clear and not misleading. You came to this forum with a question. Do not insult the members of this forum by labeling the information shared suspect because of your findings. Maybe presenting yourself in a none combative manner and giving respect will yield true education for all members. This action will preserves your integrity. It eliminates stains on your character...keeping it pristine.
Your previous declaration allowed me to further investigate. Therefore you gave me an opportunity to explore. Now my understanding is more clear. However, it would be to your benefit to understand when someone is attempting to do you a service (by providing you with information they understand as correct) versus intentionally misleading you. Also statutes are best listed in its entirety. When directing the readers attention to 571.010 my intention was to fill in gaps left from your previous post. Your editing did not provide a clear picture. When legal speak is altered it changes meaning. If anyone wants the full statute it can be reviewed online. Where you attempting to provide misinformation? I doubt it. Difference is I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Statues 571.010 also addresses (not direct quote) any dagger or bladed hand instrument that is readily capable of inflicting serious physical injury or death by cutting or stabbing a person.
I would invite whochee to speak with the Missouri Dept. of Public Safety (888) 394 6377 or with the Attorney General of Missouri Dept. (573) 751 3321. Both representatives I spoke with listed that stilettos, dirks and daggers are legal (under four inches) "only" if carried openly and not considered capable of inflicting serious physical injury or death. Now many sharp instruments can bring about death or serious injury if used. This led me to ask for clarification. The reps from both departments stated it is left to the interpretation of the police officer. Both departments stated that balisongs and push daggers are being reviewed for future legislation.
So, it goes to reason that the outcome of legal ramifications (as literally stated) is dependent on situation and interpretation. Maybe if whochee strolled through various regions of Missouri luck would be on his side. I would exercise caution with the displaying of an instrument that is considered "offensive versus a tool" in the nature of its makeup. However, my omission in my previous post was just that. It was by no means entirely incorrect or misleading. I am not going to debate the issue further. Please purchase a push dagger and take your chances. Best of luck in that regard.
Definitely use your ability to confirm information given to you (no matter the source). It is your obligation as a discerning and hopefully rational adult to do so. It is my obligation to present information with the intent of being clear and not misleading. You came to this forum with a question. Do not insult the members of this forum by labeling the information shared suspect because of your findings. Maybe presenting yourself in a none combative manner and giving respect will yield true education for all members. This action will preserves your integrity. It eliminates stains on your character...keeping it pristine.
Your previous declaration allowed me to further investigate. Therefore you gave me an opportunity to explore. Now my understanding is more clear. However, it would be to your benefit to understand when someone is attempting to do you a service (by providing you with information they understand as correct) versus intentionally misleading you. Also statutes are best listed in its entirety. When directing the readers attention to 571.010 my intention was to fill in gaps left from your previous post. Your editing did not provide a clear picture. When legal speak is altered it changes meaning. If anyone wants the full statute it can be reviewed online. Where you attempting to provide misinformation? I doubt it. Difference is I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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I agree with kcblade that you could have phrased that better.
Whochee - If you were stopped by an officer, and they saw the push dagger. What reason would you give for carrying one instead of a pocket knife or utility knife?
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Missouri Permit holders in general can carry most any type of knife from a box cutter to a 11" bowie knife and as many as you want concealed. Thats because the Missouri permit is an actual "Concealed Weapons" Permit. Many States only issue permits for handguns "only". Their are some exceptions regarding what is permitted, switch blades for example may not be carried legally with or with out a permit.
Now just because the law says you can do it dosen't mean you won't get arrested buy some well informed LEO. So keep your lawyers number handy and say as little as possble without his presence.
Kevin L. Jamison Attorney At Law is the man to go to for any question regarding 2nd amendment or concealed carry issues in the state of Missouri.
Check out his books good reading.
http://www.kljamisonlaw.com/
E-mail him with your question it might take a day or so for him to get back to you.
Actually as a permit holder I would not have to explain anything to any officer. The reason I perfer a push dagger as a back up is because it is small, light and very hard to dislodge from ones hand in a combat situation. I perfer to carry my kahr 9mm and a mercworx seraphym as backup instead of more magazines. I was just trying to be sure that a push dagger is not specifically barred like a switchblade.