Quality Forge Build Or Buy.... How Would You Do It?

Daniel Fairly Knives

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Hey guys! For those of you that use a forge... what would you buy or make if you wanted to start forging now? I'm considering a build or forge buy and am interested in input.

I'm interested in something middle of the road... more budget oriented than high end if possible. Buy some burners and get to building? I am in no hurry and think this thread should be fun for us all! Thanks ahead of time!
 
I made the solid fuel forge I use. I used an old barbeque and made a pit forge type of design, I am planning on making another one down the road but I'll need to cut and weld that one. A little further down the road I am looking to build a gas forge with a ribbon burner.
 
A knife maker on another forum has shown pics of a small forge he used. It was made with fire bricks banded together, and regular bricks to set desired elevation. I thought it was pretty clever, and looks very useable.

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I think what ya want it for could send ya in two directions.

If your forging blades you'll probably find you don't want to use same one your making Damascus with.

Cliff
 
I bought one of Darren Ellis' forges, lined it when it came in, and have been very pleased.

--nathan
 
Daniel, you are making some very well made, attractive knives. I believe they could use a bit of a price increase, however, that's for you to decide.It seems you have a good business going. I'm thinking you will find out here what is a good one to buy. I suggest you continue with the knife making. Best to have a forge that you literally can go to and fire up with out having to chase down start up problems which can be terrible annoying when you are wanting to do this or that. I'm not surprised to see you write this up. I believe it will add to the fine looking items you are already making. I sure wish I could have gone on that trail.
My best to you. Frank
 
BFlying you get big points for ingenuity and froogleness lol. The duct tape and amazon box really take it over the top :thumbup:

Dan you may find this thread useful if you haven't seen it.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...Burner-Plans-and-info?p=14536251#post14536251

Its a write up Stacy did helping another member build a forge. Lots of good info and if I build one its something I plan to reference heavily.

That said I have so many shop tasks to complete I'm on the fence as to building or buying one also. I know Atlas makes a nice forge that is reasonably priced and he also posts here regularly.

I'm interested in the responses you'll get.
 
I initially bought most of the parts to build a forge but the time to shop all the parts and the how-to's were taking too long. I wanted to get started already. So I bought one. I build lots of things I need but the forge was one of the things that was quicker just to buy it. I got it from this guy:

http://majesticforge.com/knifemaker_forges_products.html
 
I started with an Ellis 6", but wanted a larger and blown. The link Augus provided was Stacey helping me. As easy as it was to build, I wouldnt buy one if you have the ability to build one.
 
If you build one, you can make it as you wish. For the same money, a build forge will be far better than a bought forge. A PID controlled forge has to be built, as I know of none available pre-made.
 
I had never seen or used a venturi forge when I purchased my first one and had never used a blown forge before I purchased mine. Having now seen and understand how they work I would not consider buying one in the future. I can make it cheap, fast and completely functional. That being said if you are in the same boat as I was, purchasing a decent forge is not a bad investment. If you already understand how they work and have checked out a few, just build one.
 
Just make your own, it's super easy. Just follow Stacy's inductions and you'll have no problems! I've been slowly gathering parts to make a blown forge. I built a venturi burner and it works, but there's not much way to regulate how it heats things. It kinda just wants to be at one temp. Blown burners are way more versatile!
 
I would definitely build one. I built my forge, burners and all, and it only took me a few hours. If I could weld, it would have gone a lot quicker than that, and would look a lot less "homemade." For the body, I used a brand new air tank from Autozone (about $40 IIRC) b/c it already had legs welded on and a handle on top. I just cut the ends off w/ my angle grinder using a cutoff wheel and smoothed the edges using a flap wheel.

If I had it to do over again, the only thing I would have bought is the venturi burner kit from hightemptools for $45. It's embarrassing to admit, but I spent two or three times that amount in random pipe/LP fittings and several trips to the hardware store trying to get my burner to work just how I wanted. There's so much info online, and so many different versions, and I kept changing and tweaking my design with different pieces and configurations, but in the end I wound up with something essentially the same as what's sold in that kit.

Here's the one I built:
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Not the prettiest but she gets the job done!

-Mike
 
I built mine with a blown burner and by following Stacy's advise it works great. I don't think I could of bought one that functions as well as mine does. I've been gathering parts and will soon have it PID controlled which I feel will make it the ultimate forge.
 
There's no one single forge that'll do it all.


If you get serious about forge work, damascus, etc, you'll end up with multiple forges.


I've got one blown vertical, a large ribbon burner forge, and a 2 brick forge with a t-rex style venturi burner.


If you just want to forge knives initially, I recommend buying or building a 2 brick forge. They're a great size for making small to medium sized knives and even larger knives, are very fuel efficient and with a good stand, take very little space. Buy a burner if you don't feel like building one. You can build the body and forge in a couple hours and just put the burner in.


You can't really forge weld in these though because the body is soft firebrick (and will get eaten by flux, and they don't operate as well at welding temps generally). You wouldn't really want to however. If you decide to get into forge welding/damscus/etc, you'll eventually want to build a vertical blown forge. They're easy to build and much cheaper to build than people are selling them for. They pretty much suck for hand forging blades though, since you can't "lay down" the blade in the forge you've always got to be using a bar of steel and forging the end, or attaching a handle of some type, which is always getting really really hot.


Personally I prefer to forge blades in a coke/coal (or better yet, charcoal) forge. They're cheap to run, and you can dampen them down and leave them running all day without wasting a lot of money on fuel, but they're a bit of a bigger investment in either space or effort in most cases. Although if you can find a good hand crank blower, a Tim Lively style charcoal forge is cheap to build and works really well. I started with one of these and still miss running it.
 
Vertical is what I use for damascus. Built a large Don Fogg style blown vertical about 15 years ago, easy to build & works great. Would not want any different.

I use a NC Forge whisper mama for general forging. Would not want any different here either.
 
Mike, just a suggestion, but I'd consider lining that kaowool with satanite or something similar to keep tiny little refractory fragments from blowing around everywhere as the blanket breaks down over time. Especially if you ever forge in a building, as you don't want to breathe that stuff over time. It would be worse with a blown forge, but even a venturi will have some decent air current through it.

--nathan
 
I just wanted to say a big thanks to everyone who has helped me out by contributing to this thread!

I have been able to research everyone's recommendations a fair bit this weekend and feel like I am much closer to making a decision. I think I want one of each!




I made the solid fuel forge I use. I used an old barbeque and made a pit forge type of design, I am planning on making another one down the road but I'll need to cut and weld that one. A little further down the road I am looking to build a gas forge with a ribbon burner.

Thanks Bo T! I have a video on how to do that and kind of forgot about it, good idea!



A knife maker on another forum has shown pics of a small forge he used. It was made with fire bricks banded together, and regular bricks to set desired elevation. I thought it was pretty clever, and looks very useable.

311luvt.jpg

Thanks for the pic bflying! Looks nice and I actually own that torch and some extra fire bricks. hmm.... looks like I may have a small forge!

I do worry that at my elevation it will not burn hot enough as I can't get most Ti to bend well with even MAPP gas. Maybe I should try!



I think what ya want it for could send ya in two directions.

If your forging blades you'll probably find you don't want to use same one your making Damascus with.

Cliff

Thanks Cliff! Good call, I don;t want to contaminate one. Right now I'm thinking I want to learn to forge at a basic level first then hopefully move up to more.



I bought one of Darren Ellis' forges, lined it when it came in, and have been very pleased.

--nathan


Thanks Nathan! I checked and they look nice, that may be an option. I like the round shape for a nice vortex. Which model do you have?

I have to look into the differences between vertical and horizontal forges now... looks like I want a horizontal so far. Lots to learn!




Daniel, you are making some very well made, attractive knives. I believe they could use a bit of a price increase, however, that's for you to decide.It seems you have a good business going. I'm thinking you will find out here what is a good one to buy. I suggest you continue with the knife making. Best to have a forge that you literally can go to and fire up with out having to chase down start up problems which can be terrible annoying when you are wanting to do this or that. I'm not surprised to see you write this up. I believe it will add to the fine looking items you are already making. I sure wish I could have gone on that trail.
My best to you. Frank

Frank, I really appreciate hearing that... keeps me highly motivated! Big thanks!
 
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