Dave Shirly claimed online (now defunct Knifeforums) and I think in a Knife World article that his Scagel Reproductions of actual Scagel knives were by him. Before that they were Queens FSO and the same with later non-Scagel repros marked Northwoods. Some of the Scagels were claimed by others to be Queen parts assembled or finished by Shirley, a claim he denied. He used a lot of stag, which came from his stash, so he probably at least finished them. He made a fair number of fixed blade Scagels. These Scagel patterns both fixed and folding were pretty original patterns, that were not in the Queen stable of patterns. He has since passed on as has the most recent owner of the brand so who really knows?