Question about Counterfeit Knives

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I've seen many counterfeit Spyderco's, Sebenza's, Striders, Shiro's and many others. Here's my question, do the Chinese counterfeit brands like Reate, WE, and Rike? I'm not saying they don't but I haven't seen them? if they don't why? Does they're government protect their own? Just wondering.

Mike
 
I've seen counterfeit Reate Horizons on the LiarExpress site. Not sure about WE or Rike. Give those brands enough time to demonstrate popularity and they'll probably be copied too.
 
Oh, I get it.

You're asking whether the counterfeiters like the larger Chinese knife brands, as it doesn't seem so to you because there doesn't seem to be any knockoffs of those Chinese brands.

I think question could be better answered by first figuring out who the market the counterfeiters are looking to hawk off the fakes. I think the Chinese market shares a different view of those makers and a different relationship. We buy our knives made in China. They sell their knives to us.

I dunno.
 
Once they become popular enough I'm sure they will get knocked off, but they Probably won't sell very well as the non knife people who get duped probably haven't heard of them.
I'm not in the market for these knife brands so I don't really know, but I'm sure it will happen ( and they'd probably be much harder to identity than a fake spyderco ...ect )
I just wanna say that this thread is merely asking a simple question " do they counterfeit the higher end Chinese production knives " and not trying to start a discussion about the ethics of counterfeit knives.
And I really hope this thread doesn't explode like a nuke as every other thread mentioning them does, as it never ends well.
 
Who's to say those "honest" knife companies didn't start off making counterfeits? Maybe after they figured out the processes they decided to make their own?
I'm pretty sure WE was making the Roper for Quartermaster, and that design is a rip off.......
So, without any real regulation over there who knows for sure?
 
I heard that SanRenMu get counterfeited before. But really, when SRM is selling 8cr13mov and 12c27 blades for $11-12 on average, buying a counterfeit in 5cr or 3cr steel for $6 does not look like a bargain , not even by a long shot.
 
I guess it would make sense that the higher end Chinese brands would be counterfeited. After all the counterfeiters are looking to make profit and they have no moral compass and even if they did it points to there wallet. I know the Chinese government does nothing to curb counterfeiting. I wondered if they did anything to help out Chinese companies?

Mike
 
I've read a couple of threads and it kind of makes sense although I cannot and will not condone it. The counterfeits, as claimed in other threads from people supposedly living in places like Hong Kong and whatnot, are so prevalently made because the cannot get the US made knives there for any kind of reasonable cost. It's not like here in the US where you can find ZTs and Benchmades and Spydercos at 40% off MSRP with free shipping and all that. So they make high end counterfeits to tap into the Asian and Russian markets that want the product but cannot obtain it without themselves being ripped off. Those counterfeits are made at a much lower cost just like anything else made in China. Some people know there are shady people here in America that just want to save money and disregard any kind of morality concerning counterfeits so they buy the counterfeits intended to stay in other countries and dump them into the US market.

Long story short, if a Chinese person wanted a high end knife they could buy a Kevin John knockoff of a ZT or buy a We knife and they'd cost about the same over there so it just comes down to what they want. They can't make a We knockoff any better than a We knife or make it just as good for any cheaper so there's no point in knocking it off. There'd be no need to counterfeit a WE knife. Now if an American company could make a counterfeit We knife that was just as good as a We knife and sell it here in the US for substantially less money than a We knife with no laws or regulations to stop them from doing so, then you'd most likely see someone knocking off at least a design or two that was originally created by We. And if it could be made, sold, and exported to China and still be cheaper and just as good as the Chinese brand, there'd be a market for those knives and someone here in the US would do it, especially of there were no American laws stopping them and no way China could come after the American.

That in no way makes it right, but someone would do it regardless.

And that in no way discounts the possibility that the same factories and investors and just generally the people involved in making these high end Chinese knives aren't involved in making the counterfeits using a different brand name. They'd be stealing from themselves.
 
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yes they do. I have seen fake reates. I have also seen fake Adai and fake kevin john knives which is funny because both names are known mostly for fakes of their own. Basically the only requirement for having a fake made of a product is if someone thinks they can make it cheaper and just as accurate.
 
most of the Chinese dont care if they get copied, its part of their culture to copy things. ask the question...
does reate, rike and we knives care if anyone copies their stuff? you can contact them via IG or by email on their respected sites.

i do think some models are copied, i havent seen any WE knives or rike knives copied, yet, but im not big on keeping up with all the copies. but i will always research it before buying a new knife to make sure i dont buy a clone on mistake.
 
Some Chinese companies - don't know about knife companies - are owned by the Chinese Government. My former employer got slightly sideways with a company and found out it was owned by the People's Revolutionary Army. Not a lot of bargaining leverage there. Such a company might be less vulnerable to counterfeiting. ("Wu!! There's a tank at the front gate !!!!)
 
There's a quick, easy solution to this problem. Buy American made knives from authorized dealers.
 
Mo2 said:
people dont know what they like.
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With as many opinions as we have on the forum it sure seems like people know exactly what they like and what they dont like. As well as which country of origin they are willing or not willing to buy from. The only real problem is people using their own preferences as the metric all others should aspire to.
 
GronK said:
There's a quick, easy solution to this problem. Buy American made knives from authorized dealers.
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If they are, in fact, American-made. You have to get over a wall of refusal to specify, counterfeit American-made, and other outright scams to get there. :o
 
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