questions about titanium spyderco military.

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I'm thinking that if I should get a spyderco military it should be the titanium model.
is the titanium military still being produced?

did spyderco at some point modify the titanium military to use a steel insert at the end of the lock? if so, is the steel lock something you can buy as a spare part and change when the old one wears out?

I bet I'll be told to send the knife to spyderco to have it changed, but I live in Europe so that might be a problem.
 
I have one of the older Ti millies with no insert on the lockface. I anticipate that I won't wear out the knife in 5 years. If it wears out in 5 years, at $200, that's $40 per year. Worth it, I'd say.
 
I bet I'll be told to send the knife to spyderco to have it changed, but I live in Europe so that might be a problem.
Your assessment is probably correct. Assuming you did manage to incur that much wear on a titanium Military with the steel insert, I seriously doubt the wear would be confined to the insert. My guess is that it would be distributed between the insert and the blade tang and some fitting would be required. Not to trivialize your concern, but I do have wonder how many times a day for how many years you'd have to open and close one for that to happen and suspect that, like most of us here, you will have moved on to the "next great thing" long before it did.
 
With Spyderco's over and above R&D I am confident that they have extensively tested the Reeve Integral Lock with and without the steel insert. The new Techno doesn't have it and the new Tuff does. No worries either way. :)
 
I'm thinking that if I should get a spyderco military it should be the titanium model.
is the titanium military still being produced?


Just curious why you would prefer the Ti model. I have not handled one but I've read that they are significantly heavier and for some people this can reduce the attractiveness of the Military.
 
Just curious why you would prefer the Ti model. I have not handled one but I've read that they are significantly heavier and for some people this can reduce the attractiveness of the Military.

If I may interject, I chose the ti millie because it was exactly a frame-lock and had ti scales; the set up I've wanted and have not been disappointed. Super smooth action and fast blade opening. Usually not a weight weenie when it comes to knives (moutain bikes on the other hand is a whole other thing), unless of course I'm back-country hiking. Then, that's when the carbon millie comes along.
 
I have both types of Ti Militaries, and I haven't noticed any significant or premature wear on the conventional framelock as compared to the one with the insert. I don't know for sure if the conventional framelock has a hardened lock surface or not, but that one also has the S30V blade. I have 2 other Ti Militaries with the steel inserts in the framelock, but I chose to use those for my blade transplants (CPM-M4 and M390) thinking that those harder steels would require it seeing as how the CPM-M4 Military came with the insert. If you plan on keeping the S30V blade, I'm sure the conventional framelock will be more than adequate.

My Sage 2 seems to be fine and lockup hasn't changed since it settled in at around 40% and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. I think that the Tuff has the insert because of the 3V blade? I don't know what it's hardness is at, but it shouldn't be more than 59-60 and I'm only assuming that the insert is there because it needs to be overbuilt. The CTS-XHP blade on the Techno would be harder I think, and it seems to be fine with a carburized titanium framelock. I don't think you will have anything to worry about.
 
They're still making it, and it can be found in stock fairly easily. The hard thing is finding a Fluted Titanium Military. It's version that requires a lot of extra work and is a lot more difficult for them to produce, so they only make them in small batches. I think I read somewhere that they only make 25 of the Fluted Millie's a month. However, you pretty much never see them in stock. I think I also may have read somewhere that they had some issues and production halted for a while. I don't know if it has started again but I think they are supposed to become available soon and I don't think they're going to be discontinued or anything. They're just very low production and hard to get. They also cost at least $250 and even the dealers who get them new in stock often mark them up to $300 or $350 because they can only get their hands on a few and they know people will pay it. You can also get one new on eBay, but it will still cost you $350 to $400+.

The regular Ti Millie is easy to get and they all come with the steel lock bar insert now. I wish I knew somewhere where you could buy a replacement because I have a frankenstien Mille with the brown g10/CTS-XHP blade steel and a Titanium locking side (I will post pics below) and my steel bar has worn quite a bit. I don't know if it's just the CTS-XHP being very hard and maybe the S30V blade tang wouldn't be so hard on the steel insert, but the still insert WILL ware. I don't know how much mine was opened and closed before I bought it (the previous owner mated the Ti with the brown/CTS-XHP), but the sharp corner of the blade tang began to ware a little wedge into the lock bar insert. Aside from waring like a normal Ti lock bar face would and making the lockup gradually later, this wouldn't be a problem. However, since the lock bar insert extends a little past the bottom of the blade tang, a small portion of the insert didn't get worn since it was that slight bit that didn't make contact with the tang. This resulted in a little notch that when you would grip the handle of the knife, it would kind of click and make you feel like you were flexing the lock bar (which bugged the hell out of me because it made an otherwise perfect knife feel flawed/flimsy). I realize this is probably really hard to understand without seeing the knife and see what I mean, but basically, I had to take the steel insert out and grind that little notch of and grind the face of the insert smooth again so it would function smoothly. Again, not a problem, accept for the fact that now the lockup is at about 70 percent and it's normally at about 30 with these knives. That's not a big problem either, accept for the tang of a Millie is radiused quite a bit, like older Strider's, and this knife will probably develop lock rock eventually if it gets worn much closer to the extreme part of that radius.

So, I want to get a replacement insert (or two, because I intend to keep this knife forever as this combo makes for one of the coolest Millie's I've ever seen). The problem is since this knife is a frankenstien project, Spyderco will instantly know that the knife has been taken apart, which voids the warranty. I also can't put it back together with the original blade and Ti scale to make it looks stock because I didn't buy the two other halves of the knife. Furthermore, I'm not the original owner of either of these two knives anyway. So I'd be surprised if Spyderco did anything to help me with this issue. I could call them and ask for a replacement insert, but considering you void your warranty by taking the knife apart at all, I doubt they mail out parts like that, the way Kershaw does.

To answer the OP's question, I do think you'd be fine if you bought one because Spyderco will always replace that insert if it ever wears out (unless you're in a situation like mine). That's half the reason it's there - so the lock up will wear out much slower and so it can always be replaced. But I don't think you can just call them and order one and I don't think you can just buy one from a Spyderco dealer. Unless I get really lucky, I think my only option is going to be to carefully fabricate an identical new insert.

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Just curious why you would prefer the Ti model. I have not handled one but I've read that they are significantly heavier and for some people this can reduce the attractiveness of the Military.

I don't like super light knives. I'm not planning an expedition to the north pole so I don't mind if a knife actually weights something.
 
anyone who can handle the millie's outlandish size shouldn't complain about the ti millie's weight. it's still lighter than a buck 110. that's what i used to carry around all the time.
 
I don't know why people complain about Ti being overly heavy, unless you have the upper body strength of a field mouse its not going to wear your arm out, nor weigh you down at the hip. The solid feel in hand is a big plus for me, you really cant beat a Ti millie for value, easily my favourite folder.
 
I have a Ti Millie that I don't carry a lot. I carry my G10 millies and my CF one more. Weight is not the issue as I carry a ZT 301 or a ZT 200 most of the time. It's more a balance thing for me. I have gotten used to the heft of the G10 millie and the same ergos and a different balance kinda strikes a dissonant note. I like the performance of the millie in the G10 platform and the Ti handles do nothing to enhance that performance for me.
 
The only way to know for certain whether Spyderco will, or will not, sell you a spare insert is to call them and ask.
 
Heat will harden Ti to some extent.
 
Really!? News to me. Where did you get your information? How does one harden titanium? Age harden? Work harden? Sal? Cliff?

I got my info from the Spyderco factory forums, and there are multiple ways to treat Ti to make it harder. Some actually make the Ti itself harder, some just deposit a hard layer of carbides over the Ti. A quick search will provide the answers you seek. :)
 
I have a Ti Millie that I don't carry a lot. I carry my G10 millies and my CF one more. Weight is not the issue as I carry a ZT 301 or a ZT 200 most of the time. It's more a balance thing for me. I have gotten used to the heft of the G10 millie and the same ergos and a different balance kinda strikes a dissonant note. I like the performance of the millie in the G10 platform and the Ti handles do nothing to enhance that performance for me.
i prefer to carry the ti millie for one reason: the size requires a clipped pocket carry and i don't like scratching the top of my fingers on FRN or g-10 wheneven i have to reach for my purse or cell phone.
 
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