Randall Made #1 vs. #14

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The main difference seems to be that the #14 have a full length half-exposed tang, while the #1 has a stick tang of some kind. The #1 is available in 5-6-7-8" blade options, while the #14 only has a 7.5" blade. Stock handles and hilts are different, but these are available in various sizes, shapes and options.

I'd like to get one of these, and am leaning toward a #1, 8". There appear to be plenty of Randalls for sale in all varieties of handles, hilts, butts, etc. (at premium prices).

Any #1 and/or #14 owners out there care to explain why they prefer one over the other? Thanks in advance.
 
The #1 has a top choil on the blade. It is there to facilitate a blade up grip for fighting. Also the #1 with a standard handle shape has a slight arch.

The model 14 handle is straight

The #1 because of its full length stick tang feels more lively in hand than the models with a full width tang. It is almost imperceptible but it is noticeable.

The Model 16 Sp1 is a nice knife. It is the dive knife with a model 1 shaped blade and guard. It has the same wider exposed tang as the model 14. Stainless blade Micarta handle. A great knife but again not as lively as a model 1.

The Model 1 is the classic Randall so that is the one that I’d want. Unless you are really tall I’d get the 7” blade, the 8 is nice but a 7” Randall fits in a KA-BAR sheath. For a cheap no hone beater option.
 
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I have never held a Randall, but I am a fan. The model 1 is a beautiful knife, I'm sure you'll be happy with that one. The 14 has the finger grooves, which are there to lock the knife into your hand like a vise, but they might be a little dependent on your hand size and possibly harder to grip edge up. If you get the border patrol handle or the single finger groove handle, they might be a bit more versatile gripwise. Someone who has had the knife would have to chime in on that though.
 
I’ve had them all. They are all great. The one I kept has the Commando handle shape.

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Also if you are not aware there is a Randall section. It’s hidden at the bottom of the manufacturer’s forum under collectors forums.

Replies there can be slow. But some heavy hitters in the Randall collecting world hang out there.

Good luck on finding your knife. My advice would be to order it from the factory, and have your name engraved. Don’t pay a premiumI’ve never bought or sold a Randall for more than the current list price.

A $50 deposit locks in today’s price and the 5 years goes by really quickly.

Ed
 
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D Dr Heelhook is spot on with his observations.

Here is a good comparison shot. A standard model 1-8

Buxton fighter with border patrol handle

Model 16 SP1 with finger grooves.

I don’t have a picture of a single finger groove handle, but it may be my favorite. But they are all great and you really can’t go wrong.
 
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Ed above nailed it well. The 1 is more of a fighter, 14 more of a hard use knife and does weigh more given the design. I'll also agree that 8in is a lot of blade unless you want it as a fighter.

If you are active military Randall may be able to get you one quickly. Or, at least that was an option a while back for guys deploying. I got my 15 that way for OEF.
 
Ed above nailed it well. The 1 is more of a fighter, 14 more of a hard use knife and does weigh more given the design. I'll also agree that 8in is a lot of blade unless you want it as a fighter.

If you are active military Randall may be able to get you one quickly. Or, at least that was an option a while back for guys deploying. I got my 15 that way for OEF.
Retired Navy. And even if I was still on a submarine there wouldn't be much use for a #1 there. I appreciate the opinions on the 7" vs 8". I might just put in an order and chill out for a few years ... it will be that much more satisfying when mine finally comes down the pike.

A #1-7 with a black micarta, Border Patrol handle and nickel silver hilt ought to be nice...
 
Thanks for your service. That does sound like a nice knife. Unless you are against having a stainless blade. I’d seriously consider the model 16 sp1.

It has the same model 1 blade. It is esentially a tricked out model 1-7 for less money. You can order whatever handle shape you want and pretty sure the nickel silver too. You just cannot change the blade, and it will have the 3/4 tang exposed on the top.

Up to you. I know I am repeating myself. I just wanted to make sure you realized.

5 years is a long time, make the order send the deposit. Then do your best to forget about it. Before you know it you are holding a plane brown box in your hand wondering what’s inside.

Anyone else reading this. I strongly recommend thinking ahead. At 45 order your 50th birthday present at 60 order your own retirement present.

At my house it is a tradition with my kids to pick out and order their Randall 5 years before they graduate high school.

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This was my sons graduation present.
 
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IMHO as a long time Randall user, as opposed to a collector, the Model 1, is more multi-purpose while the 14 is more of "rescue/utility" knife.

I prefer the Model 1. Go with a 6 inch for general use and self-defense, the 8 inch for a fighter. To me, the 7 inch is "neither fish nor fowl" and does not offer what the 6 and 8 do.

A very good thing with Randall's is if you buy one and decide it isn't for you, you likely won't lose money on it.
 
Murindo: I am fortunate enough to own 3 Randall’s: a SS Model18, 5.5”; A Model 14 , 7.5” SS standard blade, black McCarty finger groove handle. ( Mine abrades the skin on my forefinger by rubbing against the guard,. Go figure? It’s a Safe Queen anyway.) ; and finally, a Model 1-16 SP Border Patrol Model, with the green micarta and full tang, exposed on top, standard 7” and SS. This is by far the knife I would choose for utility, fighting & defense. It’s balance and ease/speed of maneuver, in my hand, exceeds that of any other large knife that I have ever handled.

I’d choose the Model 18 only for it’s designed use as a survival / extraction, sharpened pry -bar.). The handle/ guard-heavy balance makes it a bit “off” for any other uses. I’ve never handled the 18 in the optional 7.5 “ version. It coukld be better balanced in that configuration? Albeit , it would’ve a bit long for its intended use in a caved -in/ crashed helicopter cockpit.

As to blade length among 6”, 7”and 8” lengths, IMO, after 6” it is just personal preference and balance in YOUR hand. 6” is the accepted length for a killing knife in a combat environment. That standard was established by Finnish “ commandos” in WWII. Their native Puukkho knives were traditionally 6” in blade length. They were found to be long enough to penetrate the heavy woolen winter overcoat of the Russsian Soldiers, from a rear attack, reach the kidney or liver and exact a silent, one stab kill, when twisted on the way out. Funny that Randall traditionally makes the model 18 with a 5.5” blade, not 6’. But the knife was designed to be an improvement of the standard issue Army & Air Force Ontario Pilot knife, with a 5.5” blade. it was originally made for self rescue from a crashed helicoptercockpit, in the jungles of Indochina,. No greatcoats to contend with in that enviorment.
 
Murindo: I am fortunate enough to own 3 Randall’s: a SS Model18, 5.5”; A Model 14 , 7.5” SS standard blade, black micarta, finger groove handle. ( Mine abrades the skin on my forefinger by rubbing against the guard,. Go figure? It’s a Safe Queen anyway.) ; and finally, a Model 1-16 SP Border Patrol Model, with the green micarta and full tang, exposed on top, standard 7” and SS Blade. This is undoubtedly the knife I would choose for utility, fighting & defense. It’s balance , blade length, thickness & configuration are superb. It’s ease/speed of maneuver, in my hand, exceeds that of any other large knife that I have ever handled.

I’d choose the Model 18 only for it’s designed use as a survival / extraction, sharpened pry -bar. The handle/ guard-heavy balance makes it a bit “off” for any other uses. I’ve never handled the 18 in the optional 7.5 “ bladed version. It coukld be better balanced in that configuration? Albeit , it would be a bit long for its intended use in a caved -in/ crashed helicopter cockpit.

As to blade length among 6”, 7”and 8” lengths, IMO, after 6” it is just personal preference and the blade’s balance in YOUR hand. 6” is the accepted length for a killing knife in a combat environment. That standard was established by Finnish “ commandos” in WWII. Their native Puukkho knives were traditionally 6” in blade length. They were found to be long enough to penetrate the heavy woolen winter greatcoat of the Russsian Soldiers, from a rear attack, reach the kidney or liver and exact a silent, one stab kill, when twisted on the way out. Strange that Randall traditionally makes the model 18 with a 5.5” blade, not 6’. But the knife was designed to be an improvement of the standard issue Army & Air Force Ontario Pilot knife, with a 5.5” blade. it was originally made for self rescue from a crashed helicopter cockpit, in the jungles of Indochina,. No greatcoats to contend with in that enviorment.
 
The main difference seems to be that the #14 have a full length half-exposed tang, while the #1 has a stick tang of some kind. The #1 is available in 5-6-7-8" blade options, while the #14 only has a 7.5" blade. Stock handles and hilts are different, but these are available in various sizes, shapes and options.

I'd like to get one of these, and am leaning toward a #1, 8". There appear to be plenty of Randalls for sale in all varieties of handles, hilts, butts, etc. (at premium prices).

Any #1 and/or #14 owners out there care to explain why they prefer one over the other? Thanks in advance.
I have a 1-7" and a 14, but the 14 has a saw/no saw blade profile. The 14 is definitely a more robust design but the 1 feels good and light in the hand. I guess the choice depends on what you're going to use it for.
 
I have a Randall #1 and a #14 with the Border Patrol grip.

I would describe the #1 as a fighting knife and the 14 as a survival knife.

The #1 is lighter. Quicker in the hand. The #14 is rock solid. Kinda chunky.
 
serious question, have any of you tried or have thoughts on the blackjack versions?
I remember when they started using 3v I was very close to pulling the trigger
 
The BlackJack is made by stock removal the Randall is forged. I think the price increase for the Randall is worth it.

People view BlackJack as a budget Randall, I see them as an over priced KA-BAR or Buck
 
serious question, have any of you tried or have thoughts on the blackjack versions?
I remember when they started using 3v I was very close to pulling the trigger

I can't contribute to the Randall part of the discussion, but I do own a blackjack knife model 1-7 knife. I bought it before I knew much about Them.
Even still, the knife is well made and sharp.

I made a special kydex sheath for it, and carried it as my large knife backup for many years. Still do at certain times.

I purposely bought this knife because of its cost. I didn't want to throw a safe queen (that I waited years to get) into the river, if need be. :/

 
Here's a couple comparison pics. The top one is model 1, commando handle, nickel silver Guard and butt cap. Middle one is model 15, border patrol handle, nickel silver guard. Bottom one in model 16 special fighter, border patrol handle, nickel silver guard. The model 15 is basically a model 14 with shorter blade. The second picture is showing the full tang on model 15 and 16. I prefer that over the stick tang of model 1. But I like all Randalls.View attachment 1840811View attachment 1840812
 
serious question, have any of you tried or have thoughts on the blackjack versions?
I remember when they started using 3v I was very close to pulling the trigger
I have a Blackjack 1-7. It's a very nice knife for the money. It has the leather Commando grips and they feel really good. I;m happy with it. in fact, it's what made me want to get an original Randall.
 
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