Randall model 18

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How well is the construction of the Randall #18? I know Randall's are a well made knife, But meaning it is a Hollow handle knife and the weakness tag that most of them carry(excluding the Reeve Model's),Can it take the normal abuse of what a field knife could? I know This is Randall's survival Model. Any Info would be appreciated!
Thanks
 
I have owned an 18 for a number of years. It has accompanied me on several outings including SAR (Search and Rescue) missions for the Civil Air Patrol when I was with them down south. I have used it to build a shelter, clean game, cut up food, and generally whatever the standard uses of a knife are. It has performed admirably.

The potential for breakage doesn't worry me as much as it does some, I guess I will use it till it fails. I don't ever expect to get into some "high speed-low drag" situation where I will need to use it as a prybar, or piton or other such thing.

The 18 is an elegant and useful tool.
 
J. J. Magnum,
Thank's! That was the kind of info I was looking for! I just tend to be ruff on my feild knives and do to the price of the 18, I did not want to kick myself in the head for buying one if it was not as sturdy.
Thanks again!
 
I owned a #18 once and liked it very much. I called Gary Randall at the shop and asked him if many were returned for handles and blades separating. He said a couple a year, but there was generally more wrong than just the handle separating from the blade (read "gross abuse").

It's a very strong knife. Many were used in Vietnam with impunity.

Bruce Woodbury
 
bruce,
Thanks for the reply also!
I don't use knives for prying or anything high stress like that, But they do get banged around. But I am glad to hear positive views then negative. I am please with what I have read so far and will go ahead and purchase one.
Thanks again!
 
Not meaning to butt in here,but if you are really concerned with blade /handle breakage why not consider a Reeve one piece?There is basically no worry of any failure and will take any amount of abuse.Not knockin anything Randall makes as anyone will tell you they are great knives,but a Reeve with its one piece construction,A2 steel,and gun coating is hard to beat.:)
 
marsupial,
I hear what your saying and it is true about the Chris Reeve one pieces, But I just really like the classic look of the Randall! It's just like J. J. Magnum
stated earlier"The 18 is an elegant and useful tool"
Thanks for the reply!
 
They are cool,and really were the "thing" during the Rambo days.The reality is though,you can fit alot more survival items in a pouch attached to the sheath then you'll ever fit in the handle cavity.If you really bang your knives around why not just go with a Randall 14 with a pouch attached to the sheath? No breakage worries.
 
TOMBSTONE,
The Model 14 was actually my first choice, But then in seeing the #18 it caught my eye more so.
You are right about the pouch attach to the sheath carrying more items and to be honest it being a hollow handle knife really is not what really got me iterested in it, Just the design of the knife. The hollow handle I figured was just a bonus!
Thanks for the reply!
 
I agree,those knives always attracted me also.I also thought Parrish,Lile and Crain hollow handles were awsome looking.I still wouldn't mind having one myself,and any of the above including the Randall 18 would be very difficult to make fail,even under "hard use" based on what I've seen and heard.And of course we can't say enough great things of the line of Chris Reeves hollow handles.Well enjoy whatever you decide to purchase.
 
TOMBSTONE,
Thanks Bro!
Crain does make an awesome looking hollow handle Knife indeed!
 
Very old thread, but also high on Google list for hits, the subject of Randall model 18 strength is something many are curious about......

Let me tell you what i know by looking my early/mid 70's knife, about only difference today being the tang might be a bit shorter on newer....

The handle is 1" OD stainless tubing, with 1/8th" wall thickness X's 2, leaves a max of 3/4" ID....the tang is approx 1/4" thick and is pressed or beat into the tubing to degree tubing is distorted slightly top and bottom, leaving a max gap of 1/4" tapering to zero top and bottom of both sides....tang is approx 1 3/4" long...

This alone would be hard to come loose no matter the use, but there is more....the main area any loosening would start would be at mouth of tubing under repeated impacts, and it would take a lot of beating to distort the stainless thickwalled tubing......however, the blade has shoulders at start of tang, these shoulders rest on a guard made from 1/4" thick brass plate, and THEN the plate rests on the mouth of the tubing....total support against movement.

The blade is brazed to the guard on both sides with 172,000 psi shear strength silver solder at 1200deg F, then the handle tubing is brazed identically to back of guard after the press fit....Randall does not claim any, but i suspect with contact and solder wicking and flux, the tang also is getting soldered to inside of tube at base.....the gaps next to tang inside the tubing are filled with industrial epoxy to prevent any stored items inside handle from becoming stuck, the epoxy's only official function, although the rock hard epoxy would also prevent any lateral movement of tang, even were it not jammed inside the tubing with zero room to move aside from distorting/destroying the tubing itself....

In a nutshell, the handle will probably hold well past point blade would fail, blade failure much more likely than failure of 1" diameter stainless tubing with 1/8th" wall thickness...any reader here can probably envision simply the handle pressed onto tang and how hard it would be to intentionally disassemble shy of destroying either one, or both, in the effort....

I was a skeptic of design until i bought one, now think it is one of the strongest blade handle joints out there, over anything Randall makes, or most anyone else's, aside from an integral, and none of those are forged, and a Randall truly is hand forged, basic blank with tang done via air hammer, then bevels forged by hand with hammer.....mine has seen a lot of hard use and abuse, and i trust it completely, as much as i can trust any knife....

As for an update on how well they hold up, will not argue with original thread respondent referencing talking to Gary and him saying a couple per year that were heavily abused, but my own source, a 30+yr employee recalls only one where handle failed after gross abuse, and long time dealer of Randalls since the 70's doesn't recall any failures although he does remember the one run over by a tank and bent into a shallow u-shape and handle did not fail.

As for the handle uses?......it was designed for crashed helicopter or forward observer crew or passengers, much loved by Special Forces (and still is), to saw/hack way out of vehicle, and have emergency stash of meds/water purification tabs/etc if you were running for your life behind enemy lines and with only what was tied to your britches, with everything else left behind in burning wreckage. a worst case scenario emergency tool/weapon....often forgotten, the spear lashing points on guard were not for spear fishing or deer hunting....in jungles where we were at, there were tigers, and aircrew often only armed with .38spl S&Ws
 
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Very old thread, but also high on Google list for hits, the subject of Randall model 18 strength is something many are curious about......

...As for the handle uses?......it was designed for crashed helicopter or forward observer crew or passengers, much loved by Special Forces (and still is), to saw/hack way out of vehicle, and have emergency stash of meds/water purification tabs/etc if you were running for your life behind enemy lines and with only what was tied to your britches, with everything else left behind in burning wreckage. a worst case scenario emergency tool/weapon....often forgotten, the spear lashing points on guard were not for spear fishing or deer hunting....in jungles where we were at, there were tigers, and aircrew often only armed with .38spl S&Ws

Thank you for all the info. The 18 has long been a dream knife of mine and will be my first Randall.
 
I like the look of the Model 18 myself. I have a Model 15 that is similar but with traditional handle which I like a lot.

You might consider the Blackjack M125 or the M1-7 which are similar to Randall knives. High quality. My 125 is my woods knife. Much less expensive and if something happens to it, you're only out about a 1/3 of the Randall cost. But I know how it is with Randalls. They are nice blades.

Just noticed this is a VERY old thread. Oh well...
 
Randall's are good knives, I have used them a lot in the woods. A 14 makes the best survival knife due to the heavier design. The stainless can bend and not go true if you get too big a piece of wood though.

The toughness is high, although the edges are thin I have never chipped out one. Even after chopping seasoned hickory and Osage.

If you don't baton a lot these will be the perfect survival knives.

PS. The stick tang models are tough as nails, you will never break it at the hilt. I have had these stuck in wood and given it all I could with a heavy baton, it didn't break. But the thinness near the tip can take a bend.
 
My heavy field knives a Randall Model 16.... Get the 18 the Blackjacks are similar in looks only
 
I have to disagree about Blackjack knives. Their classic line made by Bark River are just as good and probably a better steel.
 
Get the 18 the Blackjacks are similar in looks only

And even in looks they fall far short of a Randall. I bought six different Blackjack knives before buying my first Randall (Model 8). The quality and craftmanship of a Randall is immediately evident when you hold it. And you're reminded of it every time you use it.



I have to disagree about Blackjack knives. Their classic line made by Bark River are just as good and probably a better steel.

Which Randalls and Blackjacks do you have? Which Blackjack steel and which Randall steel are you comparing?

Stay sharp,
desmobob
 
I like the look of the Model 18 myself. I have a Model 15 that is similar but with traditional handle which I like a lot.


This thread needs a photo. Here's my Model 15 with a Model 18 handle. Less than 100 of these exist.

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