Recommend some good welders

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Hello all, I need some solid recommendations for a welder. Posted over in Workshop, but not a lot of replys so trying here.

Many (20) years ago I was decent at oxy acetylene, brazing, and stick welding (meaning I could run a good bead).
Tig doesn't really intimidate me from a learning curve perspective, but prob over my budget so I have been thinking mig.

Will be for home use everything from knife shop to automotive. I have 220v/240v, do not have 3 phase.

Miller 12v? Dialarc 250? Lincoln mig pak 15? miller 175? 135? Everlast? Hobart? Am I wrong thinking mig (or tig), should I go stick or gas?

Tell me your thoughts on best setups. Use and new under $500? Used and new under $1000?

Thanks!
 
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I've used a few of the Hobart machines alot. The Hobart 210 MVP can be run on 110 or 220. Flux core or sheild gas. I "think" they have an aluminum spool gun available, but I'd have to double check
They run 800ish dollars. Several welding/pipeline friends recommended them and several run them in their own garages instead of firing up their truck mounted welders.
 
Kentucky has the crux of it.
If money was available, I'd recommend a decent MIG like a Millermatic 252, or a comparable Lincoln. The snap-on welders on not that good. Hobart is good, again something in the 250 amp class would be good. If you keep an eye out you can find the Millermatic 250 or Hobart Beta-migs from 15-20 years ago on Craigslist for decent prices, still running strong.
I run 300 amp Airco TIG and MIG machines, 'cause I like the heavy old industrial stuff and can make the 3 phase. That's where the deals are at, but they do take up space.
I use MIG by far the most often. It's just easy and welds good and strong, handles never come off billets etc.
I see you are in Kent, I have bought 2 welders off Seattle CL in the last 2 years and seen a bunch more deals.
 
Kentucky has the crux of it.
If money was available, I'd recommend a decent MIG like a Millermatic 252, or a comparable Lincoln. The snap-on welders on not that good. Hobart is good, again something in the 250 amp class would be good. If you keep an eye out you can find the Millermatic 250 or Hobart Beta-migs from 15-20 years ago on Craigslist for decent prices, still running strong.
I run 300 amp Airco TIG and MIG machines, 'cause I like the heavy old industrial stuff and can make the 3 phase. That's where the deals are at, but they do take up space.
I use MIG by far the most often. It's just easy and welds good and strong, handles never come off billets etc.
I see you are in Kent, I have bought 2 welders off Seattle CL in the last 2 years and seen a bunch more deals.

If you're looking around waiting for used, a Miller Millermatic 250, 251, 252 etc, or Lincoln PowerMig 250 (and the equivalent sub-numbers), are Cadillac choices for home Mig. If you want something off the shelf at a good value/performance ratio, the Hobart Handler 190 kits, are very difficult to beat. If you want something new that's slightly better, but semi-affordable, check the Millermatic 211.

I wouldn't get a TIG welder unless you find a need for it. I've got a nice old 300amp transformer TIG (Esab Heliarc 252) and rarely use it. It's great for specific stuff, but the speed of MIG makes it the go to for most of my knife and steel making related duties, and gets used for a couple of hours every day.


There's lots of specific tasks that you may end up wanting a TIG or a stick setup (for special rod alloys), at some point, but they're all things you may never end up doing. A good MIG setup is IMO an essential tool, and skill, everybody that works with tools should have. I'm always amazed when I teach damascus classes and have a pile of students that have no idea how to weld, considering how simple it is to learn the basics. Usually I have them mig'ing up their own billets by the end of the first day, otherwise I"ll spend the entire class tacking them instead of teaching.


Unless you get a high end inverter mig, I highly recommend you get a 220V unit. The 110V units just don't have the power or penetration for doing any remotely structural welds, unless you really know what you're doing and understand the limitations of the machine. With the 220V units, even the smaller ones like the Handler 190, you can get good strength single pass welds, which is all you're going to need for most things. If you don't already have 220V circuits in the shop, get them. You'll find them useful for numerous other things, like getting the most HP out of your grinder motors (2hp or 3hp, instead of being stuck at 1.5hp typically), etc. However, unless you've already got 3 phase service, and don't plan to move ever, I would avoid 3 phase welders. They can be had cheap, but getting 3 phase service to a residential location can cost an arm and a leg, and usually isn't worth it IMO. Half of my shop equipment is 3 phase, but I use a medium sized rotary phase converter to power it, and I highly recommend getting one if you like machinery, however, the two items that are costly (have to size up the converter significantly) to run from phase converters are welders and hard starting equipment like air compressors. Thus I avoid those two items when purchasing industrial equipment.
 
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I will also recommend the Miller 211. The ability to use dual voltage is handy, but it still has the capability of welding as a true 220 welder. If you call around to the professional welding shop suppliers, Praxair, Airgas, etc, in your area, you can sometimes find floor demo units for less than online prices, in the smaller capacity ranges since most of their professional customers aren't buying stuff in that capability range. Our Praxair rep is often offering me deals like that, it's where I got my Hypertherm Powermax 30 for half of MSRP.

I would also echo what javand said about TIG. I have an old, smaller Miller TIG that I only use as a stick welder for rusty farm repair jobs. The few times I've needed to use TIG, I've just done it at work rather than go through the expense of having another bottle of gas.
 
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If I had the money to spend I've always favored the miller 250 and liked the vintage 250 better (for some reason I just like the way the vintage ran a little better). It was always a great machine with clean power. I used to run one wide open all day long in my fabrication days. Never had a problem except the usual replacement of consumables.

If I really had some money, I'd get a Big Blue 600 that can do it all and find work to keep it busy, but dishing out $30K for a welder isn't quite in my budget.

I've got a cheep little Realgear 140mig from Praxair I paid $299 for. Been using it 2 years now and is great for around the house and what I do. I've welded suspension parts, trailers, small stuff, some big stuff with multiple passes. It's been a great little machine and very cheep to get. I've probably ran 15lbs of wire through it. The duty cycle is a little low, but hey it was $299... And consumables are easy to find, you can get them at almost any hardware store. Tweco part...
 
The Lincoln 180 MIG with dual voltage is also a decent machine. I put down a lot of bead with one fabricating, many days it ran for 8 hours straight in production and all that would happen is now and then I'd have to rebuild the ground clamp. It would get hot enough to begin eroding. It's a capable little machine, portable when you need it to be and can run on 110 volt, but on 220 volt power it will penetrate well into thick base metal.
IIRC we got ours a few years back, with a bottle and reg and a Viking helmet thrown in (Speedglas is better) for around $1000.
 
Thanks all, as I said, I have 220 available in the shop, no 3 phase at the moment but looking into a rotary converter for the future (but not for welding). I would like the capability of welding aluminum at some point (tig?). I'd like to keep it under $1k, closer to $500 would be better. Depends on bang for buck, and how much more the extra 5 bills gets.

Salem, yes I'm in Kent; right now on cl there is a miller 211, a lincoln mig pak 15, and a miller 12v which might be good options? Spokane has a miller maxstar 200.
 
The Millermatic 211 is a decent size welder for a small shop. Could probably do everything you'd ever need for knife related work.
The MIG pak 15 is rated at 130 amps, 30% duty cycle as far as I can see. That's a little underpowered in my opinion. Not so good for welding handles onto thick billets or building/fabbing machines.
There's another ad there...
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/tls/5688558277.html
Says "250 Miller wire feed welder" so very likely an older MM. Could be a good deal, particularly since the seller does not seem super hung up on exactly what it is...
The Miller Extreme12V suitcase is a "portable" wire feed welder, albeit a powerful and heavy one. If it works well and has everything, that might be a good deal.
It's worth looking around for a while and educating yourself about what you want though. A common, relatively uncomplicated yet fairly robust machine should serve you well.
 
I saw a guy use a big old TIG machine with no filler metal to tack up damascus and it was a revelation. if I could afford one, I would buy one but damascus stacks are about all I ever use a welder for.
 
Sounds like I need to figure on close to $1k for a good used mig machine. And 250A is recommended over any smaller 175 / 200 amp units.

There is a dialarc 250 out there setup for tig that might be a good buy?
 
One thing to research is the size of the machine based on the thicknesses you'll be welding. Sure you can get a great used welder for about $1k, but do you need a machine that large? I have been running a Hobart Handler 140 MIG welder for years. It can run gas or flux core. It is a great little welder. The maximum thickness metal HH140 can weld to 3/16" steel in 1 pass using flux core wire and 1/8" steel using solid wire with shielding gas. I have built jeep bumpers, rocker guards, fenders, a tubing bender, and various random items with it.
Another thing to look at is a combo machine. I had an Everlast TIG stick plasma combo. It ran me about $800. It was a 220V machine. I bought it for the plasma cutter with plans to do other things as well. It was a great machine for intermittent home use.
Just my two cents. You really cant go wrong with the machines mentioned above. Just get one that applies to what you'll use it for.
 
I'll be the one to point a different direction. I have the 180A welder from Harbor Freight, I weld with it everyday and I love it. I regularly weld 1/4" & 1/8" and get nice, clean beads with .035" wire. I've used Miller, Lincoln, and Hobart as well. Yes, they have a much higher duty cycle, but I really didn't notice much difference when welding. I replaced the stock grounding clamp with a nice brass one, huge difference. It's also nice that it uses Hobart consumables. One other observation, the 170A welded from HF is great with .030" wire, but struggled a bit with .035" wire. I definitely think it's worth the extra to get the bigger 180A unit.
http://www.harborfreight.com/180-amp-dc-240-volt-migflux-cored-welder-68886.html
 
I saw a guy use a big old TIG machine with no filler metal to tack up damascus and it was a revelation. if I could afford one, I would buy one but damascus stacks are about all I ever use a welder for.


Years ago that's why I bought a tig welder. In the end, it turns out to be much faster to simply mig each seam as quick as possible with a low penetration weld and quickly grind the bead down. Much faster at my speed of TIGing.
 
Javan is right, I have a big TIG and I go for the MIG every time, for billet work.

Regardless of filler metal, that bead is gonna leave a blank spot in your steel if it gets into a finish ground blade.
 
What ever the system you go with, install a separate circuit for best results. Voltage/amperage variation will affect the quality of your welds.
 
I have a couple dedicated 220 circuits in the shop, so no worries there.

I have been thinking about the "right" size machine, it is tempting to immediately jump to the conclusion of needing an industrial unit without really considering ones situation.

Part of my hesitation is use isn't limited to blade making. I'd like to do everything from automotive fabrication (frame, body, exhaust, intakes, etc) and beyond.

I think I've made up my mind to try and go with miller if mig. Just need to pick between a 140 or 211 (or maybe a 250). The exception is i have also not eliminated the Hobart 140, or everlast machines as mentioned above. I love the idea of having a plasma cutter.

Part of me is thinking a stick welder might be just as good in the bladesmith shop. Lincoln arc welders can be had much cheaper.
Also spotted some beasts of old school tig welders out there including a heliarc 306.
 
Those Millermatics are nice. So are the Hobarts- Handler 190 or the Ironman 230. People are pleasantly surprised by Everlast machines so I hear- to me, they still seem like a bit of a liability in terms of materials quality and product support.

I would recommend getting a plasma separately from a welder. I think some of the cheaper multipurpose machines sacrifice real utility in any given field for an illusion of doing it all.

I ran stick and gas alone for a long time. It works fine. For some of that thin automotive work though, MIG would be better, to say nothing of TIG.
 
I've been hunting on a machine myself for a bit. For what it's worth, I have a friend who works in the welding industry. He recommended the Lincoln 210 Multi Process unit. It's $1299 with $200 rebate going on now. It'll MIG, TIG and stick - settings are no brainer for welding amateurs (like myself) or you can adjust settings based on your skill level/experience. Wire feeder is aluminum billet, electronics are higher end, 3 year warranty as well which is nice. Was told NOT to buy a Lincoln/Miller from a big box store as their retail units are lesser quality (plastic wire feeders, less robust electronics, retail warranties are handled by retail folks not commercial techs who fix em). I was looking at a cheaper Harbor Freight unit, and HF does have it's place but I'm not sure what I'd do if it belly flopped on me after a year or so. I'm saving up some cash for the Lincoln 210.
 
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