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I caught the tail end of a tv documentary two evenings ago about problems with Remington 700s and some of their other rifles firing with the safety on and no trigger contact. Supposedly, there was a court trial in progress seeking damages for the accidental fatal shooting of a man's son when his rifle suddenly discharged with safety on and no trigger contact. The tv program claimed Remington was aware of this and had been covering up the problem for years. All news to me. Did any of you folks see this, or have you had such a problem with a Remington?
As a long time gunsmith, I had not previously heard of such accidental firings with Remingtons although I have had some concerns a couple of times about their quality control. My issue with quality was two customers in one week who had bought Remington 700 BDLs. One was a 30-06 and the other a 270. Both beautiful new rifles were brought in to me with split stocks and I mean split! From the action back to the buttplate. The cause was easy to diagnose, both rifles had a 1/16 inch or more gap between the rear of the recoil lug and the front of the lug recess in the stock. Such a gap lets the rear of the the action turn into a blunt splitting wedge when firing. Both guys only fired a couple of shots, factory ammo, from their brand new rifles before acquiring 'two piece' stocks.
BTW, I can't speak for other smiths, but I use candle smoke on recoil lugs when fitting new stocks or rebedding one with epoxy. I smoke the back of the lug and work on the stock recess with riffler files and so on until I have a nice even layer of black over the entire face of the recess. At the same time I always relieve a bit just behind the action so there'll be no 'splitting pressure' as the rifle 'works in' and somewhat compresses the wood at the stock recoil recess.
Such fitting is usually a non problem with stocks made of basically inert artificial material formed in precision molds. However, wood stocks are a horse of another color since they were living matter, absorb moisture, and will slightly change dimensions throughout their service lifespans as their environment changes. (See my previous post about coating the hell out of wood stock interiors with stock oil if you refinish one to help seal the wood from moisture absorbtion.)
Anyway, I refused to service either rifle because they were brand new and advised the customers to send them back to Remington for warranty repair.
Just to share the wealth with bad reviews, I had a customer come in with his son carrying a new Ruger bolt action 243 just gifted to him by dad. The complaint was trigger pull and it read FOURTEEN pounds on my pull gauge! I'm a big, strong old dude and I had trouble with that trigger. No way anyone could get off a decent shot with that rifle. I assumed this would be an easy fix but not so. The entire trigger was sealed inside a welded sheet metal 'box' which blocked all access to any adjustments. There were also stern warnings in the manual to the effect that any tampering would void the warranty. Again, I advised the dad to return the rifle to the maker and gave him a short writeup as to the trigger pull I'd measured.
The incident with the Ruger 243 was several years back when the PC about guns and gun safety was at its peak. So I don't know if this was standard procedure with Ruger at the time or not but that rifle was worthless with such a heavy trigger pull.
As a long time gunsmith, I had not previously heard of such accidental firings with Remingtons although I have had some concerns a couple of times about their quality control. My issue with quality was two customers in one week who had bought Remington 700 BDLs. One was a 30-06 and the other a 270. Both beautiful new rifles were brought in to me with split stocks and I mean split! From the action back to the buttplate. The cause was easy to diagnose, both rifles had a 1/16 inch or more gap between the rear of the recoil lug and the front of the lug recess in the stock. Such a gap lets the rear of the the action turn into a blunt splitting wedge when firing. Both guys only fired a couple of shots, factory ammo, from their brand new rifles before acquiring 'two piece' stocks.
BTW, I can't speak for other smiths, but I use candle smoke on recoil lugs when fitting new stocks or rebedding one with epoxy. I smoke the back of the lug and work on the stock recess with riffler files and so on until I have a nice even layer of black over the entire face of the recess. At the same time I always relieve a bit just behind the action so there'll be no 'splitting pressure' as the rifle 'works in' and somewhat compresses the wood at the stock recoil recess.
Such fitting is usually a non problem with stocks made of basically inert artificial material formed in precision molds. However, wood stocks are a horse of another color since they were living matter, absorb moisture, and will slightly change dimensions throughout their service lifespans as their environment changes. (See my previous post about coating the hell out of wood stock interiors with stock oil if you refinish one to help seal the wood from moisture absorbtion.)
Anyway, I refused to service either rifle because they were brand new and advised the customers to send them back to Remington for warranty repair.
Just to share the wealth with bad reviews, I had a customer come in with his son carrying a new Ruger bolt action 243 just gifted to him by dad. The complaint was trigger pull and it read FOURTEEN pounds on my pull gauge! I'm a big, strong old dude and I had trouble with that trigger. No way anyone could get off a decent shot with that rifle. I assumed this would be an easy fix but not so. The entire trigger was sealed inside a welded sheet metal 'box' which blocked all access to any adjustments. There were also stern warnings in the manual to the effect that any tampering would void the warranty. Again, I advised the dad to return the rifle to the maker and gave him a short writeup as to the trigger pull I'd measured.
The incident with the Ruger 243 was several years back when the PC about guns and gun safety was at its peak. So I don't know if this was standard procedure with Ruger at the time or not but that rifle was worthless with such a heavy trigger pull.