Ruptured Disk Realities OT

Medical statistics also reveal that 50% of persons over 60 years of age have chronic back pain. Some scientific studies show that as much as 40% of men over 40 years old have disc herniations without symptomatology. Backpain is the leading cause of work disability. Statistics also show that Failed Back Surgery Syndrome is an extremely common sequel to back surgery. Some studies reveal that the majority of back surgeries indeed fail. Interestingly, some scientific studies relate that only 4% of spinal surgeries are necessary! Surgery and pharmaceuticals are big business in the U.S. and elsewhere--unfortunately, they are also a leading cause of death! Sadly, all of these problems are preventable...

Many who have back problems, often relate that the problems started "a few years ago". Take a look at your x-rays, and radiological report. If there is mention of spondiloartrosis or other degenerative changes, then the problem was there for probably more than 20-25 years, regardless of whether or not there were any symptoms. The hernation or disc prolapse might just have been the "straw that broke the camel's back". Just like the teeth oftentimes decay without any pain or other symptioms, so does the spine. The spine is much more important than the teeth, and most people completely ignore its importance including, unfortunately, most M.D.'s.

Here's why it is so important, and why it is crucial to keep it functioning at 100%...

By way of the nervous system (the brain, spinal cord and all the nerves in the body), the life force resident in our body controls and regulates the functioning of the entire body, including more than 250,000 different physiological processes, which are regulated simultaneously...! The nervous system is also our vital link to the mind and spirit. Our existence and all of our experiences on this planet while in our physical body is made possible by way of our nervous system.

The brain is protected by the skull, and the spinal cord is protected by the 24 movable bones of the spine, called vertebrae. At each spinal articulation, 2 nerve roots branch out from the spinal cord, bringing nerve impulses transmitted by the brain to each and every cell, organ, tissue and system of the body.

Improper positioning or movement of the vertebrae can irritate or compress these delicate nerves, preventing this vital energy to flow correctly through-out the body. This condition (called a vertebral subluxation) is frequently the cause of symptoms and compromised health. Any physical, mental, or emotional trauma can cause one... Falls and Traumas, Birth Trauma, Unresolved Emotional Traumas, Improper Diets, Sedentary Lifestyles, Faulty Posture, Automobile Accidents, Overwork, Physical Exertions, Insufficient Rest, Bad Habits, Dental Malocclusions, Toxins (Alcohol, Pharmaceuticals, Drugs, Tobacco), and many more.

Uncorrected subluxations can result in serious damage to the vertebrae, as well as symptoms and compromised health. There are 5 stages of vertebral degeneration as outlined by the world's leading authority on vertebral degeneration, William Kirkaldy-Willis, M.D. The problem is that oftentimes those with back problems ignore the pain for many years before they attempt to correct its cause, or merely hide the symptoms with pain medication. Most of us would readily seek the services of a mechanic if our automobile had even a minor rattle, or a technician if our television started to have wavy lines... Yet, almost everyone abuses their bodies by eating poorly, covering up symptoms with medications and operations, never exercising, building up enormous amounts of stress, etc., etc.

If you are intent on treating symptoms, then medications and surgery is the way to go, although the spine will continue to degenerate in the best of cases. As it does, you will have an increasingly compromised nervous system, and have increasingly important health problems. Being that your nervous system will have various "short circuits", your body can't function at 100% can it? You quite probably will have physical AND mental disabilty. You're probably going to be hooked on one medication of another. You're probably 20 years older physiologically than your chronological age, like most chronic back pain sufferers in the U.S. seem to be... Your spinal range of motion will probably be VERY limited, along with flexibility of your joints in general. You probably have lost some of your normal spinal curves too, which just adds fuel to the proverbial fire. You feel bad, and even mentally you are out of sorts. Remember that the nervous system is also our vital link to our mind; when the nervous system is compromised, it even adversely affects the way in which we think.

Surgery and medications do not remove the CAUSE of the problem. The cause lies in faulty spinal mechanics causing nerve interference. It's as simple as that. A good chiropractor (one who is committed to removing vertebral subluxations) would certainly be a good start, and it will take time to change the faulty spinal mechanics. A commitment to learn proper posture while standing, seated, and sleeping is also important. Learn to lift properly, and make sure your furniture is ergonomically designed for humans. Learn to sit properly while driving, lower your hands to the 08:00 and 16:00 positions, use a ergonomically designed seat, or place a "drop in" if your car seat does not allow you to maintain a lumbar curve. Learn to properly rest your spine, and perform daily exercises for your spinal well being. There are even exercises designed for patients with acute low back problems and disc involvement... Find out if a gravity inversion machine can be incorporated into your rehabilitation program. While you're at it, you might want to get down to your ideal weight, and eat healthfully. Your spine will thank you for it, and you will dramatically increase your overall health. The advice given in this last paragraph is for those who want to remove the cause of the problem, or greatly reduce it. It will take time (i.e.; patience is needed), money, and a change in you. If this is not for you, then I'm really sorry for your problems, and can relate to your woes.

Hope this helps. I do trust that you'll make an informed decision; your health, happiness and well-being depends on it.

Dan :)
 
Smoke, prayers*, and email sent, Munk.

( * It's not so much prayers but rather talking back to God, if you comprehend. Constantly whining might be a better description. )
 
Munk
I have seen men with disk trouble get fixed through chiropractic medicine
Try a chiropractor but then............ SPORT MEDICINE.
s....t....r....e....t....c.....h
It hurts but it works. Then lift and run


Whether through injury (one time incident) or through damage (from lack of use) you may have other options then surgury. Either way its gonna hurt So I would try the less invasive one first (if ya haven't already).

Quick review
I am 48, 6' 210 pounds, little fat and I lift 3 times a week and I run.
I get slammed and I slam twenty somethings into hard body throws, joint locks and chokes 3 times a week......no problems.
Both of my brothers?
Do NOT go to the gym
Do NOT work out or run
They do nothing that stresses their bodies-unless you count driving, T.V. and sitting
and BOTH have back problems.

I -had- back trouble once. I had closed the dojo for a year to concentrate on two huge projects I was taking on with my firm. No more working out for Danny boy. Any spare tme was for family first- me later.
I sat in meeting after meeting, sat at the computer screen drafting and then more sitting from driving. I started to have trouble standing up for long periods for presentations and Questions. I started taking pain meds.
Where did the trouble come from?
From sitting!!
Chiropractic solution?
Popped in popped out,
in, out.
Why? Over a year and half of this my hamstrings tightened and kept pulling it out. It would not stay "in."

Sport therapy, stretching (ouch!! ...did I say OUCH?) and then reopening the dojo and going back to training...........Viola
No trouble anymore.


I now know something I did not know before.
What I do does not stress a well trained body.
The guys who ........sit.......(Like I did that time)
Are the ones who are stressing their bodies to their limit.

Again, I agree with the idea of chiropractic but I would not go down that road without sport massage and stretching and then lifting to resupport the spine.

Good luck!

Dan
 
Dan Harden- I'm with you on exercise. If you think about the acute episode- just look around at my Winter- locked in the house with heavy snows and three small boys. The usual mental health escapes- shooting, hiking, rock finding, and MT bike riding were not available. Though I did chop some wood, eh?
Now, this is my own fault. I did not become motivated or aware enough to use indoors activities. btw- I'm glad to see you here. I was afraid you'd taken your own advise about making yourself scarce. That's no good.

Dr. Dan- I wonder if you could explain a little more? I have a scoleosis- a twisted/bent to side spine, and arthritis in my upper back. The Upper back worries me- I can crack it at will. If I lay flat on the floor the thing reassembles itself. I didn't go into it- but have had some late teen trauma to the spine.

I think just staying active, riding and walking, stretching as Hardin suggests, are really the only things to do.

edit- Dr Dan- I reread your post, and I think there are some mechanical physical realties going on here. What I want to know is how much physcial strength and tone and stretching can make up for it. In my experience- a lot.

munk
 
munk said:
CARMAN!!

Let me get this post out now, before I digest Yvsa's. You are in trouble. Since it is work related you are thankfully covered. Nothing causes numbness as you are experiencing without nerve impairment.

It sounds exactly as if you've 'slipped a disk' - ruptured. Be assertive, go to a specialist and get the MRI. Xrays cannot find this.

I'm sorry to have to tell you. Maybe it is only inflamation in the area- but I doubt it.


munk

Thanks again for the advice munk, I went back to our Occupational Health P.A. today and told him I was still having the numbness and pain to right thigh/hip/lower back and he agreed that I should go to a specialist and arrange for an MRI.

I'll start the process through Dept. of Labor on Monday for this through our safety office.

Hopefully I will be better by then and the MRI won't be needed and if it is, it will come back negative.

Thanks again.............

CARman
 
Carman- get that out of your head, now. Any numbness means something- you can't just 'skip' the MRI because the inflamation goes away. If it returns in 10 years and your disk disinegrates, you'll kick yourself, and won't get reimbursed either.


And DR Dan- if you're reading this- though I think your approach of addressing the conditions which lead to the problem is good, I also think it oversimplistic to talk of 'merely treating symptoms'. The reason being is that we people are placed in circumstances beyond the original manufacturing specs. For one thing. we live three times as long. For another, much time is spent sedentary in employement. And for still others- employment means placing the back at great risk on a constant basis. People used to pick cotton, you know? And assemble radios off a belt? And Roof? And lay carpet and drywall? And And And

munk
 
CARman, I'm with Munk on this. Please see the whole process through!!!!
 
Thanks munk and Yvsa, I'll go ahead and follow through with the MRI just to be safe.
 
Munk... I'm sorry to hear it, but it sounds like your spine has permanent damage, and is in a state of degeneration. You probably have disc thinning, and surely diffuse degeneration. If you can "crack" your back at will, it is definitely not stable. Your severe fall at 17, when you were told all was "O.K." was surely the precipitating factor for your abberant spinal mechanics and ultimate problems. Stetching and exercise are certainly going to help stabilize the spine, but you need to address the problem with vertebral units that are malfunctioning, and chiropractors are invaluable for this.

"Relearning" proper posture, good sleeping positions, lifting, "Back School" type exercises, etc. are all helpful, but unless you correct the faulty spinal mechanics, its paramount to brushing your teeth regularly and flossing, but not having a dentist cure your dental problems. If you have disc protrusions and/or herniations, there are definitely exercises that are detrimental to your spine. You need a good evaluation of your range of motion, positive orthopedic and neurological tests, spinal degeneration phase, etc., etc. Rehabilitation once the neurological component is diminished is essential. You should have the spinal range of movement like a normal 18 year old, and if you rehabilitate your spine properly you will. Any competent chiropractor should be putting you on a well thought out program of spinal stretching and exercises, and should be addressing other health care concerns.

Many people with the occupations you cite have really trashed spines. Others maintain proper spinal mechanics while not working, and do not suffer like the ones that do. Lifestyle is definitely also an important factor, and it encompasses many components. Take a responsibility for your own well being, get on a good program of care, and I'm sure you'll avoid the surgeon's knife, and its common consequences.

Dan :)
 
Dr Dan- there isn't any point in a chiropracter when I accomplish the same thing by lying on the floor.


On the lower lumbar, there are two places where the disks is disapearing. I should have the upper MRI done so I can know what to expect from it.
Within months of the rail road bridge fall, I also was in a V W van totaled by a semi truck. I hit the roof and bashed into the steering column. I figure that's the arthritus and 'cracking' in my upper back today. Why the spine I do not know. Seems strange to me.


I've practised safe lifting my entire life. I've made the misteps of grabbing kids- let's face it- when a child is misbehaving and needs to be grabbed or stopped, you cannot always ask them to remain stationary so you may use safe lifting methods. Well, you can ask. but they arn't going to comply- which is why they are being restrained in the first place.


munk
 
Munk, you'll never be alone til they lower you down to your death bed.

And even then, when they do that there will be someone like me there, with several bags of steer manure to mix into the clods they cover you with.

Then people can pass by and wonder why the grass is always greener over Munk's grave.

( Remember the Irma Bombeck book about The grass is always greener over the septic tank ) :D :D :D
 
Rusty, my beliefs are not pattern Christianity, but if there is a life after, then I hope to see my friends John Camprose and Warren Madsen again. If I go ahead of you, I'll try an be onhand upon your arrival.

munk
 
Munk, I feel for you my friend. I have two blown out disks in the lumbar as well ~ I first injured my back when I was strong as a horse, worked out, and rode my mountain bike everyday. I did it getting one of my house apes out of their carseat in the car while they were having a tantrum (this dovetails nicely with your comments above, eh?) My back would only go out on me every couple of years and I could still work out and everything. I then finished the job of ruining my back at work while lifting a 400lb robot with a couple of other guys. My form was perfect, but I sneezed violently as we lifted. (CARman this part isfor you!) The doctors that treated took an xray, gave me drugs, and told me that I had a bad strain. I took a week off work, decided that I couldn't survive on workmans comp, dropped the claim (since it was just a *strain*) took my vicoden and went back to work. Needless to say it has continued to deteriate. GET the MRI, and demand hard core physical therapy asap. One disc pushed so bad on my spinal cord and sciatic nerve that I was loosing bladder control, and my leg went from being on fire to freezing, numb to feeling like a a muy thai kick boxer was kicking it. :grumpy:

They told me that I was going to need surgery, but so far I have avoided it through CAREFUL exercise and stretching techniques that I learned while in PT. My back still hurts, and I have tingling in my leg, but the worst symptoms have subsided.

I had bad luck with the chiropractic end of things, they made my sciatic nerve on the other side become compressed as well, which was fixed through PT. YMMV. My sister was hit by a semi truck when she was a child and her back is trashed as well. They have been able to stop her severe sciatica through cortisone injections to her back. The first 2 lasted a year a piece, the last 6 years and still working. I haven't tried this yet but am contemplating it. Again, YMMV :)
 
Can someone explain what the deal is on the deteriorating disk? I've got two places, and one in particular, where the space is less than half what it should be, and instead of disk you just see darkness in the Xray or MRI. What is that? It looks kinda like a place a Catfish would hole up in a pond...

What will happen? the bone will touch bone? No wonder I'm one inch shorter than when I was 20. But the two Docs have looked and said- that isn't good.

munk
 
stevomiller, you have it correct in your statement in my case, that is exactly what I was going to do before I listened to munk and Yvsa. You even have the Dr.'s diagnosis correct. I think I had forgot to mention that my right thigh was not only numb but feels cold all the time as well.

So I am really beginning to think that it may well be a disk that the Xray didn't show. It does seem to have improved a slight amount over the past few days but all the symptoms are still there especially the numbess and cold feeling in the hip and thigh area.

Thanks for all the help and I'll let this thread go back to munks problems who was the originator of this thread.
 
Hang in there, brother. Try to help it heal in its own time. Many thoughts and prayers for you.
 
Hey, Carman- I'm as interested as you are. Don't let it go back to me- when Raghorn says 'brother' he means all of us sufferers.


I don't think an Xray would show a bad disk unless it broke in two and was sticking out. Using an Xray to rule out disk trouble ought to be unethical.

munk
 
CARman?

Just a thought from the currently uninsured:

Exploit every opportunity to have a diagnosis and treatment regimen while you are covered by your health insurance. Get referrals to Chiropractors from your MDs, theapeutic treatment, meds...the works. Make sure they include chiropracter's x-rays, MRIs, the waving of chickens over your back....everything under the sun.

Insurance companies are working each claim to death (sorry) to avoid payment of anything they can avoid paying...even the most miniscule. Follow the letter of the insurance contract for second opinions, treatments, etc.

If necessary, find out who does labor injury law in your area, just in case. Insurance companies have legions of lawyers who get paid whether they work or not, and are all too happy to initiate another delaying action.

Yes, you can hate doing stuff like this...but do it anyway. Death is cheaper than treatment for insurance companies, and they, like most other corporations today are for-profit organizations with an eye towards the next QUARTERLY EARNINGS statement, rather than their reputation as medical professionals.


Additionally, many insurance companies, and corporations, have their insurance service handled by third-party organizations, who in turn, contract out THEIR customer service work to companies in India, Pakistan, etc. All of this trickle down responsibly ends up "trickling" down to you. Guess what it is that is trickling?




Cover your ass.


Kis
We have so much.
 
Once your accident and injury are a matter of record, you are covered, even if you no longer work.

munk
 
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