S.W.A>T. Guardfather ... piece of junk

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Hello guys,

Just because I wanted to see what the thing is all about and because it was affordable compared to the $70 or even more that I see it advertised I bought an Green S.W.A.T. Guardfather "automatic" Ice-pick.

Well a short review would be: "Piece of junk not worth the amount off money they ask for it".

First of all the spring in the Guardfather does not even have enough power to push the "ice-pick" fully out of the 'barrel' and to lock it in the second cut-out, so what you end up with is a semi ejected ice-pick that isn't locked and slides inside the "pen" when you push it against anything.
You have to manually pull it out the last 1/4" of the pen to let the button lock slip back in the cut-out of the ece-pick to lock it.

The Push button mechanism is not really easy to use, first fiddle with the rotating clip. I could live with that but the spring mechanism has less power then a Bic balpoint spring and is very gritty.

I read somewhere

"SWAT GUARDFATHER AUTOMATIC ICEPICK


When your business is producing gear for the real-life "James Bond's" of the world, making a product that is simply "acceptable" can get your customer killed. Specialized Weapons by Advanced Technologies of Phoenix, Arizona, has been providing the best and brightest to those on the sharp end for years."


Well they should be ashamed making something quality wise like the Guardfather.

The worst part, I can't seem to be able to open the pen so I can perhaps get another better spring for it, perhaps they superglued the threaded parts shut?

And I can't seem to find an company address so I can give them a call.

My advise, stay away from this piece of junk, $70 buys you a lot of quality knife.

Best wishes,

Bagheera
 
I think you might have gotten a lemon. The ones I got from TAD 3 years ago still fires very strongly and locks up tight. :confused:
 
If it's green, it's not SWAT.
 
Spark,

Are you sure? this one is green and I loked at the pictures of the S.W.A.T. and it is exactly the same.
It was sold as a S.W.A.T. Guardfather.

What other identical "Guardfathers" are there?? do you have addresses?

Cheers,

Bagheera
 
Paragon is making some virtually identical, but in a wide variety of colors. The SWAT is black only at this time. Just because it says SWAT, it doesn't mean it is, knockoffs abound.

Did it come in the SWAT baggies, with the appropriate sticker?
 
Spark,

It came in a cordura simple beltholster stuck in a long narrow ziplock baggie and nowhere a decal/sticker.

Any chance you know the telephone number of Paragon cutlery ?
I searched but can't find them anywhere with this info :confused:.

I'm thouroughly p.ss.d off as I bought it as a S.W.A.T. Guardfather and not some POS piece of junk for my hard earned $$ :mad:

cheers,

Bagheera
 
Unfortunately, I don't have Paragon's #, so I can't help you there. Sorry bud, contact the dealer you purchased it through, they should be able to help
 
Spark,

I got hold of the company in the US that sells these Guardfathers for $43 at the moment and that guy swears that it is an original S.W.A.T. Guardfather and he's willing to send me his invoice for them!

While talking to him he unscrewed 4 of the Guardfathers end-caps as he said that the spring could have taken a set and just needed to be strec=tched a little ?!
Sounds strange as a good spring should not set that easilly my 45 ACP spring doesn't and is under a lot more pressure and strain then the Guardfather spring.

By the way I couldn't unscrew the end-cap so does anybody know if it it is fastened by loctite ?

Cheers,

Bagheera
 
I'm not getting in an argument over this. If it's not black, it's not SWAT. If it doesn't come with the sticker, it's not SWAT. I just talked to them on the phone.

Sorry, your dealer is either not telling the truth, or doesn't know what they are talking about. Or their distributor lied to them. Not my problem though.
 
Spark,

Sorry, I don't expect it to be your problem, I appreciate your help so far enormously, you did more then could be expected, I guess that the guy from that website just doesn't know what he's talking about then.

I wonder what S.W.A.T. would find of their name being used "S.W.A.T. Guardfather" for something that is clearly not made by them.

Thanks for the help, perhaps you could pm their telephone number so I can let them know who's using their product name.

Cheers,

Bagheera
 
As far as I know no one has ever succeeded in getting Paragon to repair or replace their defective products. Please correct me if I'm wrong....

If the dealer refuses to refund your money I think a post in TGB&U is appropriate.

Since you're stuck with this thing (I presume) -- the idea of taking it apart and stretching the spring seems like a reasonable chance of making the thing more or less work for a while.... I doubt they used anything like Lok-tite on a knockoff; more likely it's just screwed on very tightly. Even with care and padded tools you might end up marring it, so make sure the dealer definitely isn't going to take it back first....
 
Cougar,

what's worse is that I can't find either the telephone number for SWAT Advanced technologies in Phoenix Arizona, nor for Paragon.

Also and that's the worst, the misleading that is done through wrongfully claiming a product to be from a certain company, known to make good quality stuff like SWAT and then selling a cheap copy.

Anyone interested in seeing the SWAT Guardfather in multicolors sold just go to:

http://www.thebrightedge.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=16286&cat=297&page=1

SWAT GUARDFATHER AUTOMATIC Spike - Specialized Weapons by Advanced Technologies of Phoenix, Arizona, has been providing the best and brightest to those on the sharp end for years.

I'm really p.ss.d @ff right now.

Cheers,

Bagheera
 
Paragon Cutlery Company
P.O. Box 1008
2015 Ashville Hwy
Hendersonville, N.C. 28793 USA
704 697 8833
 
So, if I'm following this, SWAT makes the real thing and Paragon makes/imports the ripoff?

Here's and image from knifemart:

guardfat.jpg
 
Main Entry: par·a·gon
Pronunciation: 'par-&-"gän,
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from Old Italian paragone, literally, touchstone, from paragonare to test on a touchstone, from Greek parakonan to sharpen, from para- + akonE whetstone, from akE point; akin to Greek akmE point -- more at EDGE
Date: circa 1548
: a model of excellence or perfection,
: (alt) pos knockoff knives
 
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