Safe buffer speed?

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I can get a running 1725rpm motor for $20, and I was wondering what a safe speed to run a buffer at was. I was planning on using a mandrel to have two wheels. Because of this setup, I will have the ability to pick a slower speed than normal. I was thinking a 3:2 pulley ratio, to get it to 1150 rpm.

Also, could someone educate me about the buffing grits/types of wheels? I would like to be able to get a mirror finish on wood, but also a sheen on handles. Thanks for any advice.
 
1750 RPM is good for buffers. A lot of buffers and grinders like you see at Harbor Freight are 3500 RPM and that is too fast for a buffer.

Beware that a buffer is dangerous at ANY speed.

I use sewn cotton wheels and a variety of compounds. all are available at any of the knife supply places. Get several wheels and only use one compound per wheel. Don't cross-contaminate with different grits.

Gray and black compound is usually pretty coarse. Green is good for mirror polish finish on stainless steel. Pink no-scratch works well on handles.

I also have loose cotton wheels for handles. Beware that the loose wheels are the worst for grabbing something out of your hand.
 
Well, when it comes to buffers, Ralph Nader has the right phrase for it... Unsafe at any speed =)

That said 1750 is fine, you don't need a lot of HP for your buffer, in fact I prefer a low strength motor when I'm buffing
 
yup 1/2hp 1725 RPM is just dandy for a buffer. Handy Hardware carries a nice buffer arborthat set screws on to the motor arbor itself. they carry for motors with 1/2" & 5/8" arbors. One thing I cant speak enough good about, is to use medium and hard felt wheels and DRY GREASELESS buffing compound. man they rock! they are worth the extra expense!

Jason
 
At 1725 rpm and a 1/2hp motor, you could easily use 8" or 10" buffs. They will produce the ideal surface speed for buffing.

Mike L.
 
I'd go with a 1725 rpm buffer. My 3600 rpm buffer caused this and it took $10,000.00 to put the nerves and tendons back together.

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Arthur....The vision of that picture has stopped me many times before I picked up a knife and headed to the buffer.

To date I never polish any knife that is not screwed down onto a 2' by 2"x2" pine board. ALL my buffing is done before the handle and then taped for protection. That is the only time I will buff a knife blade.

During the first couple days of buffing (2 years ago) I had a knife rotate around the wheel....and that was too close. The next day I saw your post with a picture of your hand. Needless to say I created my new process, mentioned above. Maybe in a couple more years of experience I will buff a knife with an attached handle. Unit then, I feel more comfortable holding my 2' board then a knife handle.

Dennis

Note: How is your hand these days?
 
The only safe speed to operate a buffer at with a knife is DEAD STOPPED

If you are not familiar with the operation of a buffer DON'T F'ing BUY ONE

I use them every day for jewelry and they still scare the p_ss out of me for knife polishing. I do use them for polishing blades, I use a low horsepower motor (one that I can easily stall with one hand, and never lead the edge or point in, never give it an opportunity to grab and throw, and don't use floppy buffs for blades.

The buffer is the most dangerous thing in the shop, be safe!

-Page
 
I'm with Page on the risk of buffers. Most hobby knifemakers are not in any way prepared to use one.....and have no idea how to buff. I buff all day professionally, and have the utmost respect for the buffer. I use a 1/2HP , dual speed 1750/1150RPM unit, spinning 6" buffs at work. I use a 3/4HP, 1750RPM unit, spinning 10" buffs at home.

Matchless white is what I polish handles with. You shouldn't need a variety of grits when buffing handles. Sand to the finest grit, seal any pores or grain (if needed), buff gently with matchless white or no-scratch pink. Polishing metal is an abrasive process, but wood polishing is just a buffing (burnishing) process. Any scratches in the wood will stay there.

Since the safety warnings and danger won't stop untrained people from using them.......Let's talk buffers and buffing:

A buffer runs at a high surface speed. Slowing it down won't make it safer, just less efficient, and in some ways that will lull you into thinking it is a safer tool. When something happens on a buffer, it happens like a gun shot ( and is often compared to one) with a bang and it is over in about 1/100th of a second. I don't care if you are the arm wrestling champ of cell block eight....you aren't strong enough to hold an knife that got snagged by the buffer. While you need to be physically capable of gripping the knife, it is head strength, not hand strength that will save you in buffing. If you think "Gee, this is probably not smart", then don't do it that way. If a knife snags, don't just pick it up and do the same thing again. Think about what is wrong and change it.
I hope I don't need to even mention securing long hair and loose clothing, removing jewelry, etc.

The buffer is truly the most dangerous tool in the shop. More injuries occur on it than any other tool. A buffer should be free standing, mounted at proper work height ( the shaft should be about 5-6" higher than your elbow), rock solid - bolted to a pedestal and the pedestal bolted to the floor, at least six feet away from any wall or solid object ( other than the floor). The wheel size should be matched to the motor HP and speed in order to obtain a fast enough surface speed to do the buffing. NEVER mount a buffer to a workbench that is attached to the wall.
The buffer should be turning so the buff is rotating downward to you........NEVER,NEVER,NEVER run the buff upward and polish on the top of the buff.....This is stupid. I'm not sure I have any way of emphasizing how dumb it is, but DON'T DO IT.
Use sewn muslin wheels for metal and loose wheels for wood. Keep the wheels in gallon zip-lok bags with the polish type ( Black, gray, white, etc.) marked on the buff and the bag. Use stiffening plates (sort of like big washers) to keep the wheels perpendicular to the shaft. On any knife buffer, you want a threaded shaft and matching hole in the buff. NEVER put a different arbor size buff on a shaft.

If buffing the blade, do it before the knife is sharpened. If buffing the handle, do it with the blade taped. If buffing the wire off the edge after sharpening.... count your fingers before and after buffing....and if the number is the same....count your blessings.

Have a phone nearby, and someone should know you are buffing. Avoid distractions and non- working guests in the shop while buffing. Have good strong lighting, preferably both directly above and from the side. Take the pets and kids out of the shop.

Stand directly in front of the wheel being used. Another dumb thing I read is, " I stand to the side while buffing". This is a recipe for dissaster....don't do it.. Wear a heavy apron that covers anything you wish to protect, and heavy shoes. Have clean, dry hands. Start the buffer and allow it to come up to speed. Charge the buff with a moderate amount of dry polish. Holding the knife firmly bring it up and into contact with the work area on the wheel. This is the part from 3 o'clock to 5 o'clock. You should never contact any other area. Apply gentle and firmly controlled pressure with the knife to the buff. Try and avoid side to side buffing motions. The better/safer motion is an upward lift, contacting at the 5 and leaving at the 3. If you are polishing in a rotational motion ( turning the knife to buff all the way around the handle) turn upward into the wheel. Avoid any motion that goes with the direction of rotation, as that is when the wheel will grab the knife from your hands easiest. NEVER put an edge or a point into the buff. It will catch and be out of your grip in a flash.

With all this, you will still probably use a buffer...and will have knives go flying. Putting a soft landing pad behind the buffer will help a bit ( large sheet of cardboard), and thinking about what will happen if a knife catches will help,too. But lets be realistic, being prepared for an accident is just plain smart. Have a clean towel nearby, a phone ( If I am buffing alone at night, I pre-dial 911), roll gauze, and 4X4 pads. If disaster strikes, stay calm ( OK, maybe hard to do), and stop the bleeding as quickly as possible. Put the towel on the cut and press firmly for over one minute. Don't look to see if it is still bleeding, just hold it hard. During this time you should sit down if possible, and be where the first aid supplies are. After a full minute, lift the towel and take a quick look. Most likely the bleeding will start again immediately, but you should be able to asses the damage. At this point you need to decide what to do. If the damage is slight, wash it well, and bandage it securely to stop the bleeding. Go tho the ER if needed. If it is worst than that, have someone drive you straight to the ER while you continue the direct pressure. IF it is bad, and the bleeding is severe....call 911. Delays in getting the wound closed and bleeding stopped are the main reason why some cuts never heal well.

Stacy
 
I'm no more afraid of 3600 rpm than I am 1700. I've run both and prefer the faster machine. The only thing to watch out for is that you can burn some materials very fast at the higher speed. If you're not working safely on a 3600 rpm machine, you're probably not working safely at half the speed either.
 
Here is my trick to buffing. I should mention that I don't buff blades, only handles, and guards. Tighten the buff retaining nut only enough that the buff will spin when you put slight pressure on the object you are buffing. Too much pressure and the buff stops spinning. Remember, it is a buffer, not a grinder.
Bob
 
Note: How is your hand these days?


Dennis,

I have 100% use of the thumb and about 90% of the original movement of the thumb.

I should note that the injury was NOT caused by a knife. It was caused buffing a headlight ring for a 1974 Javelin. I thought I had put enough thought into how to present the item to the buff but I was sadly mistaken. In my case a slower buffer may have caused less damage to the hand.
 
Stacy,

Thanks for the buffer info. I'm about to install my first and you answered most of my questions. Why do you advice against mounting the buffer to a workbench attached to a wall? Thanks

Dick
 
Stacy, thanks for all the info... It's a lot to think about before learning how to buff.
 
Get someone experienced to teach you to buff safely..........this one precaution is most important..........learning how to buff on your own can hurt.

George
 
I was at work when I made the short answer referring to a ricochet.

A ricochet is exactly why you don't want anything within six feet of the back of a buffer, or anything closer than the floor below it.

A little physics lesson is due here:
While this law is normally applied to particle wave physics - "The angle of incidence equals the angle if reflection" - It applies here, too.
In shooting pool, it is a two rail shot...with knives ,workbenches, and walls it works the same. There are many variables because of the shape of a knife, but the following information is empirical.
First the knife ( or Q-ball) bounces off the workbench ( first rail) at 90 degrees, and then hits the wall ( second rail) , where it bounces off at 90 degrees. Now if you add those two angles up ,you will realize that the knife is now traveling 180 degrees from the original direction....directly back at you......and has barely slowed down. This takes about .5 seconds to happen. It does not matter what angle the knife strikes the bench top at. The total included angles will equal 180 ( Trust me on the math). The only difference in the path is the distance from where the knife strikes the bench to where it strikes the wall. This distance will determine how much higher the path of return is over the entry plane. Thus the closer together the wall and bench are to the buffer, the more direct the return path is. For most work benches, the return plane is about 6-12" higher than the entry plane....... aimed at somewhere between your chest and your forehead.
Physics lesson over.

Stacy
 
I was at work when I made the short answer referring to a ricochet.

A ricochet is exactly why you don't want anything within six feet of the back of a buffer, or anything closer than the floor below it.

A little physics lesson is due here:
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. Thus the closer together the wall and bench are to the buffer, the more direct the return path is. For most work benches, the return plane is about 6-12" higher than the entry plane....... aimed at somewhere between your chest and your forehead.
Physics lesson over.

Stacy
One thing you left out Stacy, the return path being 6 inches higher, all else being equal, if the knife left from the bottom of the 6 inch wheel, 6 inches up will bring it back *AT THE TOP OF THE WHEEL which is rotating at 3000 feet per minute TOWARDS YOUR CHEST
:eek:

-Page
 
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