SAK, a case of mistaken identity.

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I like SAK's.

There, I admit to being a SAK fan, and for a great deal of my life I've had one around. Okay, more than one around. But the SAK fandom always had to take a back seat to my love of traditional pocket knives. My addiction to the Case Peanut is well known on a neighboring forum, but when I go afield, theres a SAK in a bag/pack/gun kit, or whatever. When I worked in a machine shop, a SAK was a nice thing to have, if needing a screw driver and not wanting to walk back to to my tool chest on the other end of the shop.

But so often, we hear that SAK steel is no good, it's soft, won't hold an edge. The recent video with the so called expert doing some cutting tests, and being surprised at how well the SAK cut is typical. They really don't know what they are talking about, but the internet so called experts all keep repeating the same BS like a parrot. I once had a co-worker who was the same way. I took out my SAK in the shop for some job, and he looked over and made the scornful comment that "I've got one of those Swiss Army things, and they it worth ----!".

Of course I looked at him and asked for clarification. He told me he bought one at a flea market and the steel was so soft that he couldn't even get it sharp. Of course, knowing how SAK's can get wicked sharp, I made some disagreeing sounds, and next thing I know old Bob is saying how he's gonna bring in that piece of junk and if I can sharpen it he'll buy the beer.

Okay, I know what your thinking. Flea market. The idea came into my head soon as he said it, but I held my tongue. The next day Bob comes to work and pulls it out of his pocket, and hands me the knife. No, that's not quite true, I can't say it was a knife. He hands me this thing, and it sure does have red plastic handles, and a white cross looking decal on it, but I can't say just what it was. Well, not in polite terms. I pull open the blade and few tools one by one, and it's poor. Some blade/tools I can hardly open, others just flop out. I squint down on the base of the main blade and make out some faint letters that look like they were hand stamped in with a worn out stamp. I can make out a C, then an H, and a few other letters. I put it down on the work bench, and take out my Victorinox tinker, and hand it over to Bob.

Bob takes it with a look of distaste, and a comment that it looks like another one of those Swiss Army pieces of junk.

"Bob, I want you to take a real good look at that one, and compare it to yours." I tell him.

He does so at first with a air of disdain, but in a moment he's looking more intently. He studies the tinker, pulls open blades, tools, surprised at how sharp it is, and how well things snap open and closed.

"Read the main blade stamp on yours, Bob." I say.

He looks down reading through the bottom of the bifocals he wears.

"What is it, oh, there's a C, H,... it says China!"

Bob looks surprised.

"Now read what it says on the one I have."

Again Bob squints at the letters through his bifocals. He reads it easy as the letters are sharp and clear. He lowers the knife looking a little sheepish.

"Now Bob, do you really think Swiss Army knives are made in China, or maybe there are some junk knock offs sold in flea markets to people who only look at a red plastic handle?"

"I guess I made a mistake". was all Bob had to say. I let it ride then, only telling him if it doesn't say Switzerland on it, it ain't a real SAK.

Some times goes by, maybe a month more or less. I'm working the punch press over by Bob's bench, and he takes out a pocketknife to open a plastic bag of rivets. I see a bright red handle, and I'm a little curious. I wonder over, and I see Bob With a tinker. He looks up.

" Carrying a SAK now, Bob?" I ask him.

He hems and haws some, finally saying "Well, I was over at Dick's getting some fishing stuff, and they had some. Figured to maybe try out a real one. So far it ain't a half bad knife."

I let it ride. But I wonder how many people have a low opinion of a SAK because of some internet parrot repeating the nonsense he's heard, and maybe some mistaken identity because some idiot bought a junk knock off and wasn't impressed, but was too dumb to realize he has a no name Asian recycled tuna fish can junker? Old Bob was a perfect example. He's not too bright, and all he saw was a red handle with a white cross on it. The crudeness of it never made him think about it.

So a SAK gets a bad rap because of mistaken identity.
 
Bob comes to work and pulls it out of his pocket, and hands me ... this thing, and it sure does have red plastic handles, and a white cross looking decal on it, but I can't say just what it was. Well, not in polite terms. I pull open the blade and few tools one by one, and it's poor. Some blade/tools I can hardly open, others just flop out.

I remember as a kid -- probably just the second Christmas that I was old enough to own a knife of my own -- Santa Claus put a similar "SAK" in my stocking. Even as a kid of 10 or whatever I was, I knew at a glance that his elves had been outsourcing their work to China (or was it Pakistan?) instead of to Switzerland. To this day, I consider my feigned excitement that Sunday morning as fine a performance as you'll see in any theater.

Oh well, time heals all wounds. And it wasn't but maybe another year or two before my grandfather got me a Victorinox Explorer, a REAL SAK! :thumbup:
 
Good story. It's true, if it's vaguely in the shape of a SAK and it has red handles then in their mind it is a SAK. All we can do is politely try to educate them I guess, well done!
 
I remember a time, about a year ago, I was at my girlfriend's house and I was showing off my Super Tinker that I made wooden-scales for to my girlfriend. I hand-carved it you see and I was quite proud of it. So my girlfriend's dad sees it and tells me it looks great. He then asks me, hey maybe you should make wooden scales for my "swiss army knife" too. Of course I said yes. So he goes into his room, gets his knife and gives it to me. It turns out, it was one of those cheap sak knockoffs that we see too often being given away as a freebie when you buy a wine or something. He knew it too. He told me that well, its one of those cheap ones but maybe I can still fix it for him.

As soon as I got home, I grabbed one of my scale-less Vic Spartans and started hand-carving wood scales for that. The next day, I gave him that Vic Spartan instead of the cheap sak and told him that, hey, maybe this can be more useful. Well, as it turns out, that new knife made him a lot happier, and he didn't care about the knockoff at all.

So I guess I did fix it for him. :) SAK's can help you fix a lot of things apparently. Even the presence of cheap knockoffs. :)
 
I remember a time, about a year ago, I was at my girlfriend's house and I was showing off my Super Tinker that I made wooden-scales for to my girlfriend. I hand-carved it you see and I was quite proud of it. So my girlfriend's dad sees it and tells me it looks great. He then asks me, hey maybe you should make wooden scales for my "swiss army knife" too. Of course I said yes. So he goes into his room, gets his knife and gives it to me. It turns out, it was one of those cheap sak knockoffs that we see too often being given away as a freebie when you buy a wine or something. He knew it too. He told me that well, its one of those cheap ones but maybe I can still fix it for him.

As soon as I got home, I grabbed one of my scale-less Vic Spartans and started hand-carving wood scales for that. The next day, I gave him that Vic Spartan instead of the cheap sak and told him that, hey, maybe this can be more useful. Well, as it turns out, that new knife made him a lot happier, and he didn't care about the knockoff at all.

So I guess I did fix it for him. :) SAK's can help you fix a lot of things apparently. Even the presence of cheap knockoffs. :)

Good story. Say I've got an old Chevy Citation maybe you can help me fix?
 
I remember a time, about a year ago, I was at my girlfriend's house and I was showing off my Super Tinker that I made wooden-scales for to my girlfriend. I hand-carved it you see and I was quite proud of it. So my girlfriend's dad sees it and tells me it looks great. He then asks me, hey maybe you should make wooden scales for my "swiss army knife" too. Of course I said yes. So he goes into his room, gets his knife and gives it to me. It turns out, it was one of those cheap sak knockoffs that we see too often being given away as a freebie when you buy a wine or something. He knew it too. He told me that well, its one of those cheap ones but maybe I can still fix it for him.

As a rule, I don't get the grumps about someone's questionable judgement. There are a huge number of things in the world of which I am ignorant or don't care about that can call down sadness, embarrassment or sadistic merriment upon my head, so I usually shine it on when somebody calls an obvious POS a SAK. No sense in preaching to the wind, anyway.

Sometimes, though, it gets a bit much. My brother-in-law once showed me his "Swiss Army Knife," so I got him a Swiss Army Knife for the next presenting occasion. My reasoning was that he would compare them, be aware of their obvious differences, trash the old and adopt the new.
Some time later, we were together when I happened to catch sight of his same old POChineseS and asked him if he had examined the SAK I had sent him. "Oh, yeah," he replied. "Same thing, really."

And this guy is an engineer! :eek:
 
As a rule, I don't get the grumps about someone's questionable judgement. There are a huge number of things in the world of which I am ignorant or don't care about that can call down sadness, embarrassment or sadistic merriment upon my head, so I usually shine it on when somebody calls an obvious POS a SAK. No sense in preaching to the wind, anyway.

Wow. Did anyone already coin the term POSak for a cheap SAK knockoff? :) If not, maybe we can! Haha.

POSak = Piece of shit army knife or Poser SAK.
 
I think all the tools on a sak just confuse most of the tactical knife crowd. They think it's just a novelty and isn't mean to cut anything serious. "It's too thin and has soft mystery steel." "I need a knife that's at least a 1/4 in thick."
 
I have one of those POSak knives in my desk drawer at work. It came years ago with a subscription to Outside Magazine, and half the tools won't even open. I don't exactly know why I keep it, I guess just to have something to laugh at on days when work is doing everything it can to drain all the fun out of life.
 
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my first saks knock off was the pride and joy for me as a little boy... the real SAKs was out of my range since i dont have enough money to get one as a little boy..
to be honest the immitation really suck but i enjoy it quite a wahile as a boy...

i was saving many months just to get my own REAL SAK, its a standard model (spartan without key ring) and it was THE BOMB! never left my pocket and my true pride pocket knife... i baby it to much since i was afraid to scratch it or dull the awesome factory edge...


those poor boy feeling that its very hard to afford a SAK would never cure... now it revenge time! and it what makes me a SAKaholic!

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and its just some of the collection!... i know... i"m sick...


thanks carl... i agree with you... great post!
 
Not to get too philosophical, but for some reason this thread made me think of a great quote by the artist Andy Warhol:

America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca-Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coke, Liz Taylor drinks Coke, and just think, you can drink Coke, too. A Coke is a Coke and no amount of money can get you a better Coke than the one the bum on the corner is drinking. All the Cokes are the same and all the Cokes are good. Liz Taylor knows it, the President knows it, the bum knows it, and you know it.

A SAK is sort of the same way. Anyone with $10 or so can own and carry a genuine SAK. Functionally, your Classic or Tinker or Spartan are no different that Bill Gates' (assuming he has one).
 
I agree with you Jack (Like usual). I can't say I've owned a real one ever just some advertising versions made in china of course. I had them when I was younger and didn't find too much use for them as it was anyways. They weren't as bad as the one you described but by no means were they of anything higher than your typical Chinese high-end quality :P I could probably clear up my keychain a little bit if I got a real one now but I never really thought about it. Maybe when the funds become more available I'll give it a thought. You once again have me enticed my friend.
 
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