Satin hand sanding vs sandblasting

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Hello guys, tonight I sandblasted the handles and tang on a knife I'm working on, and really liked the look of the steel. I'm considering doing it to one or two of my other knives I'm finishing up. What are the pros and cons of a hand sanded satin vs a sandblasted finish? I would assume the sandblasted finish is less corrosion resistant, but would that be an issue on a very stainless steel like CPM 20CV? How about durability? Which one shows scratches more? I'm using 3M Starblast 80-grit, FYI. I think that's what it's called. Below is a picture of part of the knife that I did tonight.

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In a carbon steel a blasted surface profile without further treatment is nearly impossible to keep from rusting. It's almost hard to keep it from flash rusting in the wrong conditions. In a stainless, it's used on many items that see weather, mainly guns. The finer the profile the better. As far as showing scratches, I don't really notice any difference, what it really shows quickly is wear, as the peaks of the profile are knocked down. If that happens evenly, you'll never notice. If it happens in a streak, it can be ugly, again a finer profile helps prevent this. If I were going to leave surfaces as blasted, I would likely use glass beads and not aluminum oxide or silica/sand.
 
glass beads all the way... if you are going to sandblast at all! I have used a bunch of different media over time and I find they all have their plusses and minuses, however even with stainless rust can be a major issue with sandblasting... especially with coarse media. The examples I'm going to use are both 440c Ht at 59 and the difference in rust is noticeable with coarse media. I used to use the sandblast finish done with glass and carried a knife at work for 3 years without issues and I never really cared for it at all, that being the case I had made a knife for a guy with the same steel, same heat treat and his rusted after a few weeks in the jungle, which surprised me, being 440c but it happens and I found the biggest contributor to rust was the rougher finish from the media I used in the sandblaster. So to summarize, the finer the finish on a knife, the better the knife can discard water from it's surface and the less chance it has to rust, conversely the rougher the steel is, the more small pockets that tiny drops of water can adhere to and cause the rusting issue. All that to say, if you're going to sandblast, first finish the knife to at least 400 grit and remove all major scratches as they are also spots for water to lay, and anything above 400 grit will show up in a glass bead finish, and with glass it will leave a matte shine that is really quite attractive and limits the shine if that's what you're worried about while still shedding water and retaining its stainless properties. just my 2 cents
 
I have glass bead blasted many knives and many love the finish.

Yes it can contribute to rusting, but it also helps hold onto oil to protect the blade.

Oil the blade and it will be fine.

On my personal blade I just use the oil from the around the nose to keep it all clean in the field.
 
I'm on the other side of the fence I guess, I HATE bead blast finishes. To me it just screams cheep/lazy to finish it right aka Taurus guns. Bring a machinist I have bead blasted a LOT of parts and maybe that ruined it for me. But this I can tell you it shows wear really bad and is not a replacement for a nice hand sand finish. That being said I do like bead/sand blast finish on handle material like carbon fiber and G10.
 
Mirror finished stainless steel knives are very corrosion resistant. I suspect they are not popular now because they are more work and will show any imperfection in the grind when exposed to bright light. I like them but they take a bunch more time to finish. Larry

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Mirror polish is the best for corrosion resistance for sure. The reason I have heard from many knife buyers is they do not like it because it is to much like chrome and they like the contrast of grind lines between the flats and the bevel.

Hand rubbed finish is my favorite, but many do not care for it if they actually use their knives due to it is ruined immediately upon normal use.

There have been several polls on the forums over the years and iirc Satin machine finish, glass bead blasted, stone wash, acid wash always are far more preferred for users over mirror polish and hand sanded finish.

Knife buyers are savy enough to not want to pay the higher price for hand sanded and mirror finish on the knives they actually use.

Mirror finish and hand sanded finish are the top finished for collectors.

When you look at the popularity of Brut de forge and all forge finishes they are the worse for corrosion resistance and they are very popular.

When I do a glass bead finish I take the knife to 400 grit, it is not a short cut, it actually is a process beyond what many stop at. I do it for the finish, a finish that sells very well
 
I just finished with sandblasting this blade ,1.2519 steel . I borrowed from a friend small dental sandblasting cabinet.Sand is extremely fine and I like the result of sandblasting . This Monday I will send blade to hard chrome treatment . I have blade with TiN , DLC coating and I think hard chrome is much better choice for heavy used blade ....... no scratch at all .TiN is much thinner coating and much easy to scratch . When one day I make knife from stainless steel I will hard chrome too .
Last night I tried manually shaking this blade in plastic bottle filled with with broken ceramic from automotive spark plugs .Too bad I forgot to take a picture . After shaking a few minutes there is visible result .....beautiful thin short lines.... I think I'll do finis on the next knife this way .....

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Thanks for the responses, guys. I ended up sandblasting my latest knife, and am really happy with the look. JT, I can see why you might see it as a lazy way to go, but like Adam, I also took all my blades up to a 400-grit hand sanded finish, then will blast if I decide to go that way. So it's definitely added work the way I'm doing it. I'm sure you meant straight off the grinder though. I just like the matte look. I think it looks more professional. The hand sanded finish is beautiful and so slick/smooth, but I feel like many people don't appreciate it for what it is. Which is painful given the time invested in it. And for a user it sucks.

Here's the latest knife that I blasted. It's not finished. The friend for whom I'm making it wanted a flathead screwdriver on the bottom. I think I'm going to try to talk him into removing it. I have to reblast the tang and fill some holes in the handles.

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I have glass bead blasted many knives and many love the finish.

Yes it can contribute to rusting, but it also helps hold onto oil to protect the blade.

Oil the blade and it will be fine.

On my personal blade I just use the oil from the around the nose to keep it all clean in the field.

The glass blasted blade you made for CM is GORGEOUS and insanely tough.
 
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