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Schrade 8OTY

Discussion in 'Schrade Knives Collectors Forum' started by koldgold, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. koldgold

    koldgold

    Jul 2, 2010
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2018
  2. bucksforus

    bucksforus

    801
    Oct 25, 2009
    I agree, as the stamp on the box was for a regular 8OT---not 8OTY.
    Harold
     
  3. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Easy! Watch for an 8OT in an 8OTY box!
     
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  4. koldgold

    koldgold

    Jul 2, 2010
    Frontiersman 8OTY.JPG Go to the top of the class again Codger!
     
  5. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Merchants, users, collectors have been notorious for switching boxes. Which has had me buy empty boxes from time to time and resulted in a small stock of empties I have replaced with correct ones.
     
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  6. deltaboy

    deltaboy

    Jul 6, 2014
    Love that Yellow 8OT STOCKMAN!
     
  7. koldgold

    koldgold

    Jul 2, 2010
    That is not a Yellow 8OT! It's an "8OTY Frontiersman".
    [​IMG]
     
  8. deltaboy

    deltaboy

    Jul 6, 2014
    Thanks
     
  9. bucksforus

    bucksforus

    801
    Oct 25, 2009
    I have a question. Is this an 8OT with yellow handles, as the picture shows?
     
  10. koldgold

    koldgold

    Jul 2, 2010
    I do not think Schrade ever made an"8OT Stockman" with yellow handles.
    The "8OTY Frontiersman" [as marked/named on the box]
    That was only made in 1990, was in fact a "Yellow 881 with an 8OT main blade".
    The knife, frame, shield and two of the three blades, were from a yellow handled 881.
    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2018
  11. bucksforus

    bucksforus

    801
    Oct 25, 2009
    Good afternoon. I just looked up the price list for Old Timers. On page 2 of 9 they list an 8OT Senior 4" stockman, and on the next line they list the 8OTY--as Frontier stockman; same as 8OT Senior but with w/yellow handles. This is where I got my question from. allaboutpocketknives.com Not trying to question your knowledge, just curious.
    Harold
     
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  12. thawk

    thawk

    Oct 28, 2006
    Ken - Where do you get your information the 8OTY is an 881 with yellow handles? Why would it not be an 8OT with yellow handles, since it has an 8OT tang stamp? Hal
     
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  13. koldgold

    koldgold

    Jul 2, 2010
    Hi Old Mate Hal, with a yellow 881, an 8OTY and an "8OT Old Timer" all sitting in front of me. I say the 8OTY is not an 8OT.


    Hi Harold. The historical records of Schrade were very poorly kept.
    What you call something when your selling it, that name is very important.
    However, when it comes to DUCKS;
    If it has fathers, flies and swims and quacks like a DUCK. Then it is a DUCK.
    A Schrade 881 with yellow scales, [Schrade made them for many years] with nothing other then an 8OT stamp on one blade - is in fact, an 881 and not an 8OT.
    In Australia, we call a Duck a Duck - sometimes this is not so, in other places.
    I'm only trying to learn, not preach. Ken.
    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2018
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  14. bucksforus

    bucksforus

    801
    Oct 25, 2009
    Try
     
  15. bucksforus

    bucksforus

    801
    Oct 25, 2009
    Trying to learn also. You state that the 8OTY Frontier is an 881 with a 8OT main blade. Why could it not be an 8OT with 881 yellow handles? I have all 3 in front of me also and see no difference in the 8OTY and an 8OT, and an 881Y, and an 881, except the handles and main blade stamp. I do see that the main blade early 881's and the 8OT's have a swedged main blade.
    The sheepfoot, and spey all look the same to my old eyes. What am I missing? Thanks for your help.
     
  16. koldgold

    koldgold

    Jul 2, 2010
    Did you miss the "Schrade Shield" on the 8OTY or does your 8OT with yellow scales, have an "Old Timer Shield".
     
  17. bucksforus

    bucksforus

    801
    Oct 25, 2009
    It does. But will the 881Y handles (scales) fit on an 8OT? Would this have been the easiest way to make an 8OTY Frontier? Just asking.
     
  18. koldgold

    koldgold

    Jul 2, 2010
    If we stop and think for a minute; The 8OTY is an 881Y with an 8OT blade.
    Schrade made the 881Y from 1957 to 1986, if they had some left-over 881Y scales and shields in 1989,
    Schrade could have decided to build the 8OTY to use up all the yellow 881 parts, in the late 1980's.
    The fact that Schrade only sold the 8OTYs in 1990,[one year] makes me think they used up all the 881Y parts.
    The price diferance in 1990, was only $1. So why do you think they stopped making them?
    Schrade made those 8OT blades untill 2004, and the 8OT was selling better then the 881 knives [price I think]
    Both knive are the same 4" knife, and all parts are interchangable.
    That is my 10 cents worth. Ken
     
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2018
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  19. bucksforus

    bucksforus

    801
    Oct 25, 2009
    Good day Ken. I have enjoyed this debate greatly. Made me do a lot of thinking and studying this knife pattern. However I have given some thought to the message that Schrade used up the old 881Y parts which in this knife was only the 881Y scales. The rest of the knife was made with 8OT parts. The only parts different in the 881 and 8OT were the scales and main blade. Do you have any printed information, or information obtained in your conservations with an Schrade employee?
    Thanks so much for debating this topic with me. I really respect your knowledge on the Schrade line of knives.
    Harold
     
  20. bucksforus

    bucksforus

    801
    Oct 25, 2009
    Hi Ken. I have another question concerning this thread. Do you thing the reason Schrade used the 8OT main blade was no supply of 881 main blades, or that using the 8OT main blade would sell better?
    Harold
     

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