This is how you know people don't read the post. He is 18... Good advice though, but not applicable to OP's situation, gun-wise that is.
I actually did read his post and did know he was 18. I thought 18 year olds could buy guns in Florida but I admittedly know next to nothing about gun laws so I guess I'm wrong about that. So I'm guessing you have to be 21 then? Good to know.
I am not up on Florida gun laws, but I think he was saying this. Commonly you can buy a rifle or shotgun at the age of 18, but must be 21 to buy a pistol. Making getting a CCW permit only obtainable to people 21 or older.
Yes, federal law mandates that you have to be at least 21 to buy a handgun (legally that is), that more or less dictates 21 as a minimum CCW permit age. I personally think that for active duty military, Congress should amend the statute to allow for handgun purchasing at 18 (and thus CCW laws could then reflect that), but that's an entirely different topic.
If somebody keeps punching me in the head I cant fight back with a knife?
The punch to the head could kill me and if not there's a very high risk of long term brain damage, loss of eyesight and what not. Just look at boxers and football players when they are older and that's just sport and they wear helmets.
What should a victim do instead of "deadly force"? Punch back? The attacker has the element of surprise and is usually better trained and experienced than the average victim.
Just curl up, beg for mercy (if your lips aren't too swollen to talk) and hope the bad guy(s) isn't so bad and lets you escape after seeing his face?
If somebody attacks me I have every reason to assume he thinks he has some advantage. As the surprised victim I can only guess about the nature of his perceived advantage. It might be better fighting skills, more muscles, buddies backing him up or some weapons which he might have hidden somewhere on him. If he isn't stronger/faster/deadlier or more armed than me he wouldn't have attacked me in the first place. Right? So if an attack happens its pretty scary, even if it just starts with harmless (?) punching! Do I really have to wait until he pulls a knife or call his friends for help or can I try to disable the threat before my disadvantage gets even bigger (very likely)?
I have been doing martial arts since I was tiny however in a fight I still get tunnel vision and legs feel weak. No idea how a court would expect me to be able to wait and assess a situation properly in this kind of state? Until they have been in such a situation they can't understand I guess. It's freaking scary!
Knowing the law I would try to wait and asses (if I can't flee) but I know if I'm scared and the primitive part of the brain takes over all good intentions aren't worth a dime. I hate adrenaline. Just can't think clear or even throw a proper punch. Any self defense technique becomes weaker and less controlled in a real scenario. With a knife at least even with less strength and less control you still have a chance. Of course less control means also that there is a good chance that you hurt yourself or kill the attacker even if you don't want to.
Any suggestions on how to keep a clear head in a defense scenario and prevent the primitive part of the brain from taking over so that one is better able to comply with the law? Would having a big pistol give peace of mind and make everybody more relaxed? I don't think so.
Interestingly enough, in Tennessee you can own a handgun at 18... you just can't buy one. I guess that is in the event that someone inherits one or receives it as a gift or something. You can also be a police officer when you're 18 in TN, but most agencies won't hire anyone unless they're 21.
Same is true here in TX, you can own at 18 but not buy. Federal law mandates that you be 21 to buy a handgun so it really doesn't matter what state law says if the age is lower.
Funny story: Years ago when I was at the police academy, there was a guy from a different agency there at the same time and he was 18. I heard him complaining to one of our classmates that he had to have his mom buy ammo for his gun so he could go shoot at the range. Even though he was a police officer, and allowed to carry the gun, he still couldn't buy ammo for it.
That is pretty funny in a twisted way, but what kind of a broke ass department doesn't provide range ammo, sheesh. Most agencies provide at least a reasonable amount for training, typically the practice version of their duty round (ie if they carry Gold Dot they train with Lawman in the same weight etc.).
Interesting tidbit #2: Tennessee has just amended the state law on July 1, 2014 regarding carrying a firearm in your vehicle. Prior to July 1, 2014, anyone who carried a loaded gun in their vehicle without a handgun carry permit committed a crime. The permit restriction has now been removed, and any adult who is not prohibited from possessing a firearm (felony convictions, domestic violence convictions, protection orders) can now legally have a loaded gun in their vehicle without a permit, as long as they are legally in said vehicle. The law says "adult," and every officer and legal advisor I've spoken to said that means an 18 year old without a permit can have a loaded gun in their car and not be committing an offense.
They changed the law here similarly back in I believe 2007. Before that, without a CHL you could have a loaded gun in a vehicle "while traveling". Unfortunately, they didn't bother to tell anyone what "traveling" meant exactly, so interpretations varied widely depending on where you were. In rural counties, it was pretty much a non issue if you had a gun and were stopped. I have a friend who is a retired Houston PD officer (served mid 70s to about 2000), he told me that when he was on the job their policy was basically anyone who was found with a gun in a car and without a CHL got to be a guest of the county for a time.
Since 2007, you can legally have a loaded gun concealed in a car (not openly visible) without a CHL provided you meet a few criteria. I can't recall all of them off the top of my head (or care much since I have a CHL) but it's basically that you're not a prohibited person and aren't doing anything illegal.
but what kind of a broke ass department doesn't provide range ammo, sheesh. Most agencies provide at least a reasonable amount for training, typically the practice version of their duty round
As for all legal ramifications, reminds me of the old saying " I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
Imminent,reasonable,intent,disparity of force and forceable felony.You need to understand all to stay out of trouble.I teach a CWP class that covers Fl law extensively.You can take the class at 18.You will receive a NRA basic pistol safety certificate if you pass.At 21 you can use that certificate to get a permit to carry a firearm.
The problem with knives for self defense is it's considered an escalation to potential lethal force even if used folded.
pepper spray is a good recommendation and I tell everyone who takes my class to carry it.If the only tool you have is lethal force and the crime against you does not rise to a forcible felony you have a serious civil and criminal problem if you use a knife or firearm.However,anywhere/time you could legally use a firearm to protect yourself from imminent death or serious bodily injury,you could also use a knife.Some have the opinion juries don't like knife wounds.I can understand that opinion but have no science behind that at this time.Anytime you are not clearly the victim of a forceable felony you have the potential to be civilly or criminally liable.
Avoidance,deterrence and deescalation, as well as be polite,be professional and have a plan to deal with everyone you meet.That should be your mindset along with general awareness.Lethal force should always be your last option.
Knowledge of the law is as important as fighting technique,tactics,strategy and mindset.To have a correct legal response under stress you need training.I also provide private lessons with firearms and/or knives.
Big Al's gun and pawn.
3300 West Hallandale beach blvd.
Pembrook Park.Fl 33023
CWP class Wed or Sat
Mark NRA pistol Instructor,Chief range safety officer.
Mark, two questions...
1) Does FL have a preemption against civil liability for lawful use of force? In normal speak, if you use force against someone in a lawful manner (like shooting someone who is robbing you for instance), you cannot be held liable for their injury or death.
2) Is my understanding correct that to get a FL CWFL, you really only need to have taken a handgun safety course (and pass the background check/prints obviously)? That there is not specific state mandated training course?
I don't know if Glistam was referring to these incidents (I'm sure there are many), but here are two incidents where people used knives to defend themselves against unarmed attackers. There's no mention as to whether or not any criminal charges were filed against the defenders, but I doubt it.