Sharpening curved blade?

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How do you guys sharpen a curved blade like the Schrade SCHF9 ? I have the DMT 10" DUE stones, the only way I could imagine is having the tiny thing stones? Or maybe using a ceramic rod and using that? (but that would basically be maintenance and if it was ever worse than that, good luck with only 1200 grit)

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Gotta use a steel that has grit on it, I've got one from F Dick Germany. Or use a 1x30 belt sander.

Or, you'd need to just reprofile the blade edge on the diamond stones, as in make it a straight edge, sharpen the pointy thing closest to the grip flat with the narrowest portion of the blade.

A belt will serve you well.

Otherwise sandpaper wrapped around a tube works in a pinch.
 
I have a hapstone M2 which uses EdgePro stone size 1x6. They also make 1/2" size width that can be used on recurves like that.
I have used my old Lansky clamp system on a Kershaw Blur recurve and it did fine....as long as you dont need super precise angles, cause 20* mark really isnt quite there as well as the 15,25 etc.
 
Got a sharpmaker. It will be nice to compare my DMT stones to a total system and see which I end up liking.

Thanks guys.
 
For knives with a recurve that extreme I like to clamp the blade down and use Sharpmaker rods like a file to sharpen the blade.
With good lighting it is pretty easy.
 
I don't know your level of skill in sharpening. So no offense intended with the following:

Starting to sharpen with unusual shaped blades is very difficult. It's like trying to hike before you know how to walk.

That blade has both kinds of curves: A medium sized recurve and a rather pronounced outer curve. You'll have to change your angle of approach depending upon which part of the curve you are in, in order to touch the edge at all points along the curve. It's hard to describe with words, but the swing direction is opposite on recurved areas compared to conventional outer curves.

As others have said, you can use a small width stone on the recurve. The edge of a squared off bench stone will work, but it complicates things because you have to lean the blade over so the blade touches the corner. This requires you to maintain THREE different angles, which is doable for sure, but difficult if it's your first time.

Again, depending upon your level of skill, I recommend starting with a more straight blade shape and eventually moving on to these more challenging blades.

Good luck to you.

Brian.
 
A belt sander/grinder will do a nice job on recurves. Even an inexpensive 1x30 with several belts plus a leather strop belt will do a great job if you don't have a 2x72.
 
I would use my Hapstone M2, with Venev Gemini series curved diamond stones. They are !/2 inch wide stone with a slight curve to working surface of the stone. Specifically designed for recurved blades.

O.B.
 
OK guys, so I tried using the sharpmaker and I am glad I bought my DMT bench stones. I didn't attack the recurve as it's not dull, but I used it on my Chris Reeves that had a few dinges in the edge itself. I spent 20 minutes trying to take enough material off to get the dinges out and barely made any progress. So I moved over to my x-coarse and coarse DMT stones and had a clean edge within a minute. I suspect I could have solved this issue with the sharpmaker by getting a coarse diamond stone they offer though. So I can't fully blame the system.

Anyways, I ended up finishing the sharpening on the sharpmaker and I'm pretty sure I will be returning it. I thought the primary advantage would be how easy it makes holding the angle to be. But I found that far from the truth. Using a black sharpie made it clear that holding the angle up and down was only marginally easier (through the entire length of knife) than just finding the angle on a bench stone and holding that. And if the angle isnt 15 or 20, forget about using the sharpmaker. I think it is an easy to use system that is ultra portable. But I found it didn't make my life any easier.
 
That sounds about right. You can add spacers under the ends of the sharpmaker to change the angles. It works.

what dmt stones do you have exactly ? I’m thinking to get some but can’t decide on 6 or 8 inch. The 8 inch are nice but more $
 
That sounds about right. You can add spacers under the ends of the sharpmaker to change the angles. It works.

what dmt stones do you have exactly ? I’m thinking to get some but can’t decide on 6 or 8 inch. The 8 inch are nice but more $

My advice is to go with the 8inch unless you are only using small folders. Any kitchen knife bigger than 6inch is a pain to sharpen on smaller stones/plates
 
T timelinex i have sharpmaker and use the rods freely . it's called 204-freehanding . there's a video on YouTube showing balancing strokes but one can also use back'n forth strokes etc good luck
 
Anyways, I ended up finishing the sharpening on the sharpmaker and I'm pretty sure I will be returning it.
So you're going to return a product that's not defective?
Please let us know the vendor so we won't buy your used sharpener.
 
That sounds about right. You can add spacers under the ends of the sharpmaker to change the angles. It works.

what dmt stones do you have exactly ? I’m thinking to get some but can’t decide on 6 or 8 inch. The 8 inch are nice but more $

I got the 10" stones. But have no experience with others to make any real suggestions.
T timelinex i have sharpmaker and use the rods freely . it's called 204-freehanding . there's a video on YouTube showing balancing strokes but one can also use back'n forth strokes etc good luck

Am I missing something, or does this just sound like standard sharpening on stones but with extra steps.

So you're going to return a product that's not defective?
Please let us know the vendor so we won't buy your used sharpener.

Return policies depend on the marketplace. For marketplaces like Amazon, returns are not just for defective items. It is also items that did not meet your needs, were not as good as advertised or even that you changed your mind. I am an Amazon seller myself, so I know this field intimately. The generally higher price on Amazon accounts for this "luxury". In face, this is a "feature" that Amazon literally advertises and one that has allowed it to gain so much market share (along with others). You will not be resold used items unless it is an unscrupulous shady seller or a mistake. Used items that are returned are sold off in liquidation lots and then usually sold as used on places like eBay. Keep in mind that if you purchase from 3rd party sellers on Amazon, they may have different policies. Although Amazon will always end up siding the the buyer, I don't condone trying to scam sellers when they clearly tell you their terms before selling.
 
Return policies depend on the marketplace. For marketplaces like Amazon, returns are not just for defective items. It is also items that did not meet your needs, were not as good as advertised or even that you changed your mind.
Thanks.
I'm on the other side of the fence, and why I don't buy anything from amazon. I know for a fact they don't check all returns, which results in them reselling used items as new, and items not as marked.
 
As I said above, sharpening a curved blade is different than a more straight blade.

Blades that have thicker spines present another challenge. You've really got to understand the geometry of your blade in order to understand how to sharpen it.

With a blade that has thin stock (a spine that is not overly thick), curves don't change things much. But once you get a thick blade, curves tend to not be sharpened at the same angle as the rest of the blade. So, when you try to use a constant angle device, like a SharpMaker, you find that you are not hitting the whole edge consistently. This is the "fault" of the maker and the sharpening process that they employ.

I'll give you a real world, easy to see example: Old Hickory butcher knives. I have a 7" Old Hickory that came kinda sharp from the factory. Very usable, if not all that sharp. Looking at the edge, the bevel width is nearly constant from the handle of the blade, up the straight part, and through the curve, and then to the tip. Seems straight forward right?

But when you try to sharpen it, using a constant angle system, what you find is, you end up grinding the last part of the curve, near the tip, much more than the rest. ...and the bevel gets wider and wider as you approach the tip. What's going on? Am I screwing up my blade??? Oh no!

The answer is simple geometry. The Old Hickory is sharpened by hand and the curve and especially the tip portion are sharpened to a higher angle. This keeps the bevel width constant, which *looks* nice. But it's not necessarily good for cutting performance. If you actually sharpen the Old Hickory at a constant angle, you end up with a wide tip. But a very sharp tip! Why is it wide? Because the tip is near the spine. The spine is thicker than the stock that is near the edge. Therefore, the edge bevel is wider. It's just triangle math. Make one side of the triangle longer (the spine or thickness of the blade) and the other side gets longer too (the edge bevel).

When sharpening unusually shaped blades, blades with thick spines, etc, you need to understand these geometries and decide what to do. Will you sharpen at a constant angle and make it nice and sharp, even if it looks a little "funny"? This will require lots more grinding. Or will you increase the edge angle in the areas that need it, in order to preserve the bevel width and it's look? This requires less grinding and will make a blade that is less good at cutting. Thicker edges cut worse than thinner edges.

So, the SharpMaker isn't the problem. It's a symptom. Also the SharpMaker isn't any good at large grinding jobs. For that the DMTs are far superior. As are most other good bench stones.

You should keep the SharpMaker. It's a superior sharpening tool with a specific purpose. It's just not *the* sharpening tool for every job.

Brian.
 
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