Sharpening with sandpaper

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i recently bought a piece of 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper & laid it on top of a closed manila folder. i proceeded to put a wicked freehand edge on one of my knives with an s30v blade with the sandpaper & manila folder laying down on a table. i used the manila folder to strop the blade afterwards, just incase i created any burr. i'm thinking of trying an even finer grit to see if i can get it sharper...

i have zero experience with sharpening other than this, but i actually impressed myself with the edge i was able to create. any thoughts/critiques/advice/alternative suggestions on the madness i just perpetrated?

thanks in advance.
 
In his book, Ed Fowler mentions that he also uses sand paper to sharpen his knife occasioanlly. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, after all, a sharpening stone is a different kind of sand paper.
 
Originally posted by beluga
I don't think there's anything wrong with it, after all, a sharpening stone is a different kind of sand paper.
cool..

i've been thinking of getting something fancy like a spydie sharpmaker or an edgepro, but i'm not too sure/sold on the bottom-line advantages of stuff beyond the "stone age" sharpening methods. i definitely could be missing out, but so far it doesn't seem like it.
 
I've been using sandpaper for a while to do my knives. it's easier to pack up and take than a stone is. And cheaper to replace if it walks.
 
Originally posted by VampyreWolf
I've been using sandpaper for a while to do my knives. it's easier to pack up and take than a stone is. And cheaper to replace if it walks.
what grit(s) do you use?
 
As long as you are able to hold a consistent angle while freehand sharpening there is nothing wrong with using sandpaper. The basic idea when sharpening a knife is to move the blade against an abrasive that is harder than the steel. As long as you prgress to a fine enough grit you will get a nice edge. The only thing that any of the sharpening devices do is help hold a consistent angle. That said I use a Sharpmaker or a belt grinder. Thinking of getting an Edge Pro though, seems like it does an excellent job.
 
thanks for the input folks.

the local hardware store doesn't carry grit beyond 1500, so i may have to do more digging.
 
The finest grit I usually use in the field is a 220 grit, for work with animals, this is fine enough to provide an agressive edge. 300 may be better, but I always have a lot of 220 grit paper around.

There is nothing wrong with finer grits if the steel in your blade works better with them for what you use a knife for.
 
Im sorry guys. I gotta say this.
Yes you can use sand paper, yes it will work well. You can also use dust on a window sill to true in a good edge.

I like my knives, I wont them to last a long time. I dont use sand paper, dimond or Arkinsaw stones. I also dont use rocks (unless needed)

I would like to sugest to the folks here to invest the money to get a triple set of Japanes water stones. The Course grit is 800 (all grits depend on dealer), the medium is 1500, the fine/polish grit is 8000 (it does feel like hard/poruse marble). The edges that you can get (I only do free hand) is truely UNREAL.

And hey how much did we all pay last year on knives, or worse yet A knife??? Treat them well put in the best!
 
Basically, an abrasive is an abrasive. As long as the abrasive is harder than the steel in your blade, it will wear away metal and that's how you form or sharpen an edge. Quite simply it is a question of speed, cost and longevity.

Personally, I use ceramic waterstones because they cut pretty fast. On the downside, they wear pretty fast and need to be replaced relatively often. They tend to dish in the middle and need to be flattened regularly. Diamond cuts even faster but wears even faster and is expensive. I have diamond stones I've worn out in a few weeks. Since diamond stones have the abrasive on a steel base, obviously they don't dish so there is no maintenance required. Carbide abrasives cut more slowly and wear longer. Wet/Dry sandpaper is such an abrasive. If you glue it to a piece of wood it will make a perfectly fine sharpening tool. It wears pretty quickly on a paper base so don't expect it to last a long time and stay with the finer grits or you'll be replacing it quite often. Carbide oil stones are slower yet and wear more slowly. Silicon oxide ("dry" sandpaper) is even slower and lasts for only a very short time when abrading steel (because it is relatively soft.) Arkansas stones are not agressive at all but will last nearly a lifetime. That's a pretty simple explanation of the different abrasives available to sharpen an edge. Just buy what fits your budget and the amount of time you have to get the job done.

The sharpness of the edge is a function of its bevel angle. The quality of the edge is a function of straightness and smoothness of the bevels. If you can maintain the bevel angle accurately throughout the sharpening process and if you apply the right amount of polish (size of grit) to the bevels for the kind of work the knife has to do, it will perform as well as it can.

Knives don't really benefit from a lot of polish, in my experience, at least - not like chisels, leather parers and other things I sharpen. If I want to impress someone with how cleanly an edge will slice through unsupported newsprint, I'll polish it to around 3000-5000 grit. If I'm sharpening a knife edge to use for its intended purpose, 220 or 320 is about right. If you apply too acute a bevel angle, the edge won't last long. If you apply to obtuse an angle you will be wasting some of the steel's ability to hold an edge. Basically, that's all there is to it.

To recap, I consider diamond to be a good choice only for people who sharpen only occasionally and are in a hurry because it wears fast and is expensive. I consider natural stones to be good for people with a lot of time on their hands. The abrasives in between are best for most people. My choice of Japanese waterstones is my choice because I sharpen a lot, do it for money and time is money. Diamond would be too expensive for me and the other abrasives too slow for me. If there were one abrasive best for everyone, then there would be only one abrasive. Take care.
 
Fred,

Very interesting post about sharpening stones. You mention that diamonds wear fast. Could you expand on this. Is it the diamonds themselves that wear? I have read somewhere that diamond stones don't seem to last, but that is because the diamonds get pulled out of the base due to imbedding into the blade being sharpened. If little pressure is used on the blade against the stone, then diamonds will last a long time. Is this true? It would seem that since diamonds are the hardest of substances, they would last longer than any other material, as long as they remain "stuck" to their base. Any thoughts or insights would be most appreciated.

Richard
 
Originally posted by Richard Sommer
they would last longer than any other material, as long as they remain "stuck" to their base.

Though I'm not Fred (nor have I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express), I'd say that's why they wouldn't last long. My Sharpmaker sleeves lost a lot of diamonds due to my impatience and use of force, although the ones that are still there still cut well (My 100 grit AO waterstone from my EdgePro cuts much quicker, but the grit is 4x larger and fresh, sharp crystals are regularly exposed. My blade blank, with 60 grit AO sandpaper glued to it, cut faster than a laser. The stone constantly needs straightening and the sandpaper's crystals wore down relatively fast, though slower than I had expected).
 
Do you sandpaper guys put down some oil or WD-40 or something down on the paper before sharpening? Or do you sharpen the knife dry?
 
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