Sharpest Knives and Swords in the World ?

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Since I was a D&D playing middle schooler in the early 1980's, we went to the Renaissance Faire (note: spelling Faire any other way is strictly prohibited), there was always a vendor that went by the name "Angel Sword". I'm curious whether anyone else remembers this maker. There are a few threads here regarding "Angel Sword' and "Living Steel"but it's worth another look considering how far we have come and how any more members and bladesmiths are here now. Thought a lot of you would be happy to dispute most (if not all) of their claims. I'm just as interested if anyone can substantiate even a portion of the claims made.

Posting a link to a major news outlet below and you can find them easily enough on the web. Why now? Because I think the vast majority of their sales come from the Renaissance Faires and most of them fall right around this time of year.

Selling to the uninformed masses, the main bladesmiths (mostly Daniel Watson) insisted they made the sharpest knives and swords in the world, and I still see news articles reporting on them and not questioning the claim. The web pages I viewed appeared to have been updated earlier this month using the "view source" console in Chrome.

I recall even as a kid that I was skeptical, their big show-off was taking one of their business cards, bending it in half, and slicing a sliver off the card without cutting through to the other side.

In the 80's there weren't nearly as many choices available to most people- and of course no internet to research anything, but I remember wanting to buy one of their knives for the longest time.

Most of the blades looked like costume pieces... but again there was no real way to see truly great blades unless you were able to drive to a show or somehow locate and contact a bladesmith. Or if you had a place to purchase knife specific magazines. Looking through past threads, one of the better arguments I read was that the price they set on their blades must naturally fall in line with what the market will pay, but I can say beyond a doubt that isn't the case because I recall one sword that he brought back year after year to the Renaissance Faire with something like a $20,000 or $30,000 price tag.

Their claim was that they had this secret way to make what they called "living steel", later backing up this claim by saying it was a true Wootz process. The ojust how ther claim was that they had a secret forge technique. I'm an open-minded person, but now that I have another 30 years of knife experience I realize how gullible the average person is-especially with a few pints of mead in them.

I think this is a fairly easy myth to debunk, but every summer it seems another news outlet reports on this maker and his claims, and for most folks their knowledge of knives and swords comes from hollywood.... so maybe if you have a friend headed to the Faire with the idea of buying a sword you can fill them in. Some of the links are from August of this year, byt I was a little surprised that as lae as 2016 NBC was "reporting" on this bladesmith as if they were breaking a story about where to find a modern version of Excalibur.

As far as I know even true "Wootz" that's been properly treated still doesn't stand up to our modern steels. Always interested in learning though, and again I always keep an open mind.
Anyone think that there is any truth to any of this?


https://austinot.com/angel-sword-best-sword-maker-world
(the above claims
"He personally holds over 20 patents or patents pending in metallurgy..."

AND
finally the website for the man the myth(maker),the legend (in the sense of P.T. Barnum) ANGEL SWORD


What do you think?
 
I've never heard of him or his company but I'm not into swords, Ren Faires, LARPing, etc.

I hereby accept the challenge to find the sharpest sword in the world. I will start a GoFundMe for $400K. $300K to buy swords, $10K for beer and BBQ, $10K for cameras and new pc to record and edit the process, $10K for various accessories, and I will only take $70K for myself.

I know it won't be easy but I am up for the challenge.
 
Not to be a downer, but your suspicions were correct - it’s just silly marketing.

Any one of us that uses a straight razor to shave will know this.

I can practically guarantee that none of their blades are as sharp as my razor, and if they WERE as sharp, they would lose that edge as soon as they started cutting tough materials.

It’s just physics. If they made a claim to ultimate steel toughness or edge holding that could be tested as a legitimate claim.

Sharpness is realistically simply how acute the angle of the edge is, and this property can be changed at any time by the owner.
 
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My Mother-In-Law got this for me last Christmas. I am putting up in the classifieds for $2000 because it's COPPER AND IT NEVER NEEDS SHARPENING. *Note that I will post more pics later photographed on the bathroom floor for J.L. ALSO I will be contacting the Home Shopping Network to inquire about the proper sheath for it.
 
I've never heard of him or his company but I'm not into swords, Ren Faires, LARPing, etc.

I hereby accept the challenge to find the sharpest sword in the world. I will start a GoFundMe for $400K. $300K to buy swords, $10K for beer and BBQ, $10K for cameras and new pc to record and edit the process, $10K for various accessories, and I will only take $70K for myself.

I know it won't be easy but I am up for the challenge.
Are you good with F/F or do we need to do G/S?
 
By far the sharpest swords I have seen and I’ve seen a lot came from the late great Phill Hartsfield

His knives were not slouches either but when it comes to swords no sword that ive seen and ive seen Angel Swords work for years cuts like a Hartsfield

It’s a mixture of edge geometry and heat treat but Phill’s swords were mythical in cutting power






 
Sure, I'll buy into the idea that there are some really sharp swords out there, but the mythology of "living steel" - while appropriate for a cosplay nerd fest - is strictly in the realm of fantasy.
It is absurd that a reporter from CNBC (I am ignorant about which networks are spewing the most fake or poorly researched pieces) is perpetuating the old "it'll cut a silk hankie landing on the blade" silliness.
I have met Watson several times at those Ren Faire and it's hard to take a dude wearing leggings and a 14th century pirate shirt and feather in his cap.
All kidding aside, now that I know knives, the blades I saw were more like stage props than anything we buy.
Super thick blade stock and obviously no folders, weight makes them totally impractical, and even if his magic oven is churning out Wootz, we have steels now that far exceed anything made 600 years ago
The other issue is that the "living steel" pieces priced in the thousands came back year after year unsold.
It was the cheap "bright knight" or some similar named line that people were buying.

But on the other hand, how easy is it to fake bladesmith status? I have no idea what those credentials look like or if there are any rules surrounding them. Kinda like a stolen Valor situation except as far as I know there aren't any laws against pretending to have them, especially when you are playing make-believe in the first place at Larp-o-rama fest.
Anyone know if there are laws or penalties for faking the bladesmith credentials?
 
Hattori Hanzo might have something to say about this. Or the Ginsu knife people.
Just think about the collaboration they could have come up with had they combined forces. A sword so sharp it could cut God and still saw metal shavings off a hammer before skinning an overly ripe tomato.

RIP Sonny Chiba
 
I know this is probably raining on someone’s parade, but in all seriousness, the sharpest knives in the world are probably those glass and diamond micro knives used for ophthalmic surgery. I know, I know, ruin peoples’ fun but I gotta get my 2¢.
 
Wow, I hadn't thought about those guys in years. It's somehow impressive that they are still making a living with that schtick.

I got to see some of their stuff at the Bladeshow years ago. It was mostly fantasy nonsense and absurdly overpriced fantasy nonsense at that. I'm impressed that they still can post things for multiple tens of thousands of dollars with a straight face. There's one born every minute or so they say. I also remember that Watson got into a dust up a few years back trying to sue sword forum for extortion and /or defamation. He lost. Claims of having the sharpest swords are about as good as claims of having living steel swords. That is to say it's silly marketing.
 
Hands down best/sharpest sword. RMJ Wyvern. Anyone who hasn't tried one has to do that. Life changing. Bow to your Sensei.
 
Since I was a D&D playing middle schooler in the early 1980's, we went to the Renaissance Faire (note: spelling Faire any other way is strictly prohibited), there was always a vendor that went by the name "Angel Sword". I'm curious whether anyone else remembers this maker. There are a few threads here regarding "Angel Sword' and "Living Steel"but it's worth another look considering how far we have come and how any more members and bladesmiths are here now. Thought a lot of you would be happy to dispute most (if not all) of their claims. I'm just as interested if anyone can substantiate even a portion of the claims made.

Posting a link to a major news outlet below and you can find them easily enough on the web. Why now? Because I think the vast majority of their sales come from the Renaissance Faires and most of them fall right around this time of year.

Selling to the uninformed masses, the main bladesmiths (mostly Daniel Watson) insisted they made the sharpest knives and swords in the world, and I still see news articles reporting on them and not questioning the claim. The web pages I viewed appeared to have been updated earlier this month using the "view source" console in Chrome.

I recall even as a kid that I was skeptical, their big show-off was taking one of their business cards, bending it in half, and slicing a sliver off the card without cutting through to the other side.

In the 80's there weren't nearly as many choices available to most people- and of course no internet to research anything, but I remember wanting to buy one of their knives for the longest time.

Most of the blades looked like costume pieces... but again there was no real way to see truly great blades unless you were able to drive to a show or somehow locate and contact a bladesmith. Or if you had a place to purchase knife specific magazines. Looking through past threads, one of the better arguments I read was that the price they set on their blades must naturally fall in line with what the market will pay, but I can say beyond a doubt that isn't the case because I recall one sword that he brought back year after year to the Renaissance Faire with something like a $20,000 or $30,000 price tag.

Their claim was that they had this secret way to make what they called "living steel", later backing up this claim by saying it was a true Wootz process. The ojust how ther claim was that they had a secret forge technique. I'm an open-minded person, but now that I have another 30 years of knife experience I realize how gullible the average person is-especially with a few pints of mead in them.

I think this is a fairly easy myth to debunk, but every summer it seems another news outlet reports on this maker and his claims, and for most folks their knowledge of knives and swords comes from hollywood.... so maybe if you have a friend headed to the Faire with the idea of buying a sword you can fill them in. Some of the links are from August of this year, byt I was a little surprised that as lae as 2016 NBC was "reporting" on this bladesmith as if they were breaking a story about where to find a modern version of Excalibur.

As far as I know even true "Wootz" that's been properly treated still doesn't stand up to our modern steels. Always interested in learning though, and again I always keep an open mind.
Anyone think that there is any truth to any of this?


https://austinot.com/angel-sword-best-sword-maker-world
(the above claims
"He personally holds over 20 patents or patents pending in metallurgy..."

AND
finally the website for the man the myth(maker),the legend (in the sense of P.T. Barnum) ANGEL SWORD


What do you think?
Sharp is a term that different people use in different ways. Sharp does not translate to cutting ability. A piece of paper can cut you but can you shave with it? A knife is a wedge, the thinner the wedge the more efficiently it cuts. Most materials, like steel are defined by their chemical structure, its a trade off, you can have thin, hard, or strong....pick two.
Obsidian can be made so sharp it will divide biological cells rather than crush them. Steel can be tough enough to crush rocks.
A good sword needs to be hard, tough, and wear resistant all three properties are a trade off, one steals from the other.
 
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