So there's a Grylls knife clone from RS6...

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Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this.
"Red Scorpion 6" now sells a cheap clone of the Bayley knife that Bear Grylls uses. Bayley knife
Even the sheath is very similar.
As much as I'd love to try one out, I think that's just low. If Bayley wanted to flood the market with production versions of his custom knives, he'd do it himself.

I also refuse to buy one of his WSKs, but mainly because it has a full hollow grind, even the "hatchet part". :rolleyes:

Normally I try not to waste my time with threads about knockoffs and such, but I had the urge to spread the news. Hope this hasn't been covered in an earlier thread. If it has, just ignore this one.
 
$175 isn't exactly 'cheap'.
Granted, the original Bear knife cost as much as a Busse so I guess comparatively it is cheap.
 
That knife came up here before. Kinda opens a can of worms for me so here's my brain dump in no particular order.

I think $175 isn't particularly out of step for a knife that isn't mass produced. A little Entrek of a very similar sort of ilk would cost me about that here. 440C and Micarta rather than 440C and G10. And plenty of custom makers working in those materials expect much more than that.

Is it worth it, I don't think so. There are plenty of similar sorts of mass produced knives in similar sorts of stuff for a great deal less money. I know a few others may disagree but unless we are talking about art knives or a design one simply can't get [or modify from stock] from a factory piece there's no need. You pay the extra in the same way as in the days of Best Guns where folk lamented the demise of barrels being lapped by hand and one trusted that the eye is rather good at detecting imperfect circles. Damn those computers that get it exact every time. By hand you pay the extra for the time and skill of the journey not the result when you get there. If you don't give a hoot how it got to be that good... On that, I think it is overpriced, but not disproportionately so compared to others out there.

That supposes it is exactly what it is what it is represented as. We must be vigilant to why Red Scorpion Six was banned from here. Misrepresentation at best.

Was it inevitable that someone was going to do that to the Bayley knife anyway. I think so. He put his head on the block with the asking price like a coconut on a shy. I just looked up the exchange rate for that little knife and today it is $602.42 USD. Let's get some perspective on that -

It is nearly $200 USD more than the one below. Which took more skill to make do you think:

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and it is only about $200 USD less than this one:

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Dog eats dog.
 
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Is this "Red Scorpion 6" person making Tom Brown Tracker Knives without Brown's consent? Is that the reason why the opening salvo is so strong about this guy? I vaguely remember it being controversial months ago on here and I might have even participated in the thread, but I just cannot remember it.

Is there really a using knife that is worth over $400.00? If you say, "yes," really? Do you really believe that? That is said to no one in particular, I am sure some will say, "Yes!" And to them I say, "It must be nice to have that amount of disposable income and to be proud of what you own" because for something you are actually going to use, I don't think there is a knife worth over $400.00, I think anything over that is in the realm of art and collector pieces. So, the price of $602 for a knife like "Bear Grylls" uses is totally sane because he has a lot of little twats that adore him and his show and they have more money than brains and have access to Mommy and Daddy's Black Visa Card.

I know that might piss some people off because it is easily applied to a couple Sacred Cows of Cutlery around here, but I believe it to be true.

To be continued...
 
The knife is really close but as far as the sheath is concerned, if "RS6" ripped that guy off, then that guy ripped someone else off because that design has been around for a long time.
 
Don Rearic said:
Is this "Red Scorpion 6" person making Tom Brown Tracker Knives without Brown's consent? Is that the reason why the opening salvo is so strong about this guy? I vaguely remember it being controversial months ago on here and I might have even participated in the thread, but I just cannot remember it.
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He was banned for continued violations of BF rules, mostly selling at the wrong membership level and in the wrong forums. Then he misrepresented his products, with hints how and where they were made, instead of just admitting they we re contracted out of a Chinese factory. Finally, he continued to re-register to shill his knives.
 
Wonderful. I couldn't remember, acting like he is making them and pumping them out of the slave labor camps, eh? Good grief.
 
Don Rearic said:
Is this "Red Scorpion 6" person making Tom Brown Tracker Knives without Brown's consent?
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That's mandatory. It's a company policy. They take pride in copying designs from other people. Any employee that comes with a design of his own is immediatly fired for ethical code violation.
 
Ravaillac said:
That's mandatory. It's a company policy. They take pride in copying designs from other people. Any employee that comes with a design of his own is immediatly fired for ethical code violation.
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Are you a fan of the movie "Midnight Express?" There is a line in there that John Hurt spoke about Turkish Lawyers, if they are suspected of honesty, they're disabarred. :D
 
The Red Scorpion 6 guy got permission from Dave Beck to make the Tracker design, IIRC.

He got banned for representing himself as a knife maker instead of a dealer selling chinese made overpriced junk, again "IIRC", since it was a while ago.

I doubt he got permission to make clones of the Bailey knife. But he will probably sell them like hotcakes to the ethically impaired.
 
Well, ultimately, the "ethically impaired" will get what they deserve, a $175.00 Chinese knife with questionable metallurgy and heat treating, etc. He will benefit, however, because you know damned well he is making well over a hundred dollars per knife.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
The Red Scorpion 6 guy got permission from Dave Beck to make the Tracker design, IIRC.
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To be accurate, everybody got permission from Dave Beck to go ahead and make their own version of the Tracker concept. Since Tom Brown was making legal noises about the Tracker name, Dave used the term WSK, for Wilderness Survival Knife, but felt so many people had collaborated on the basic design that no one owned it, and he didn't want to own it. He wanted any knifemaker to feel free to use the concept.
 
That's interesting, I thought it was a Tom Brown designed knife. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
 
Don Rearic said:
That's interesting, I thought it was a Tom Brown designed knife. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
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There's a whole lotta drama behind the WSK Beck/Brown thing. Beck ended up giving open permission to use the design. While RS6 likes to play it up like he got dubbed Beck's succesor, it's not the case.

An interesting side note. While the Tracker draws heavily on advertising promoting it's use in "The Hunted", it was never in the movie. The knife in the movie was a Beck WSK.
 
Bear Grylls is "entertaining" but is also a threat to those mentally challenged enough to religiously emulate him.
However I still think the Bayley knife is a nice design.
If there was a carbon steel Bayley (without serrations) in the $75-$150 (maybe even $175) U.S range i'd probably buy one.
But really i think i'd be just as well off sticking with my 01 Enzo.
For the $600 cost of the Bayley i could buy a Koster knife , a Brian Andrews knife and a Bark river Aurora!
 
tholiver said:
....However I still think the Bayley knife is a nice design. If there was a carbon steel Bayley (without serrations) in the $75-$150 (maybe even $175) U.S range i'd probably buy one.
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Check out the fifth and sixth knives in this link

Not exactly the same but similar and of great quality I've read.
 
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