Spyderco Civilian Questions

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Good evening everyone,

I know these posts come up every so often regarding the infamous Spyderco Civilian -- just how delicate is the tip? I've done every bit of internet sleuthing I could and have read every thread and review about the knife that I could find from within the last 15 years. The final conclusion of them all is that of the reason the knife was created - self defense and not utility. While I fully understand the intended use and design, I am still drawn to this knife, however impractical. Because I could pull it off, I would end up carrying it as a light-duty EDC if I were to purchase it. I have found that the early models were truly poor for even this use, as the tip was manufactured to be even thinner, though the modern ones have a bit more stout tip. For these uses, such as opening letters, packages, occasional impromptu steak knife, normal cardboard/zipties, etc. should I expect the tip to receive significant damage?

I would prefer to steer the discussion away from the fact of why the knife was created, as I have read the story of it dozens of times in the aforementioned threads. Rather, I am looking for some input from those who have carried it as an occasional EDC for regular use as to if your Civilian has sustained any significant damage in doing so.

I would also greatly appreciate some comparisons. My first true EDC was a base model Kershaw Leek. This knife is also well known by many to have quite a delicate tip. I've had multiple Leeks, a CRKT Eros, and a Protech Godfather, all without every damaging the tips of the knives. As such, could anyone compare the tip thicknesses of these knives to that of the Spyderco Civilian?



Thank you for any input, information, or stories anyone may be able to share! I look forward to your responses.
 
The tip is very thin and would be damage if used as an edc. I have one unused or carried with pouch and papers. Let me know.
 
The tip is very thin and would be damage if used as an edc. I have one unused or carried with pouch and papers. Let me know.

Thanks for the information! I'll probably break down and end up getting one to try out at some point or another. If I do so now will be pending what I may gather here.
 
I'd go to a shop to inspect one. If not buy one on the exchange. If it's not for you resell. I recently purchased a knife that fits my needs better so I'm thinking of trading or selling.
 
I'd go to a shop to inspect one. If not buy one on the exchange. If it's not for you resell. I recently purchased a knife that fits my needs better so I'm thinking of trading or selling.

Unfortunately there is nowhere in my area that would carry one, so I'd be left to purchase and return or resell. For the time being, I just placed an order on a fully-serrated, stainless steel-handled Police, so that may quell my needs on the matter of the serrations and keep me from picking up the Civilian for a tad longer. The idea of trying to use it for EDC still is interesting to me, though, so I'm curious if there is any positive verdict in this respect.
 
I don't own one, but I've handled one before and the tip is incredibly thin. I don't think I'd use it for any EDC tasks at all.. the knife was essentially designed to be a one time use sort of deal to defend your life with. Essentially one slash from this thing across the torso of an aggressor would completely shred them.

You could take a look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cijSHVp4ebs and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AK9sNgNWOI

That dude knows his stuff, take his word for it more than mine.
 
Unfortunately there is nowhere in my area that would carry one, so I'd be left to purchase and return or resell. For the time being, I just placed an order on a fully-serrated, stainless steel-handled Police, so that may quell my needs on the matter of the serrations and keep me from picking up the Civilian for a tad longer. The idea of trying to use it for EDC still is interesting to me, though, so I'm curious if there is any positive verdict in this respect.

Large fully serrated folders are an addiction. I know.
 
While it's not large, I just put an order in for a Harpy, should be getting it next Thursday. I'm a sucker for Spyderco's SS handled fully serrated line after I handled one a couple of weeks ago.
 
You can't stop at 1.
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I'd save yourself a little cash and pick up the Matriarch 2 with the Emerson wave. It's cheaper, thicker tip, has the wave, and due the slightly thicker tip, can be used for more EDC tasks. That being said, EDC tasks are very limited due to the blade shape. It will however cut like nobody's business. The civilian will probably be more collectable though if that's your thing....This thread needs pics:
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I'd save yourself a little cash and pick up the Matriarch 2 with the Emerson wave. It's cheaper, thicker tip, has the wave, and due the slightly thicker tip, can be used for more EDC tasks. That being said, EDC tasks are very limited due to the blade shape. It will however cut like nobody's business. The civilian will probably be more collectable though if that's your thing....This thread needs pics:
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Beautiful picture! That certainly enriches the thread. I've been tempted by that exact model many times, but I've not warmed up to the wave with a lockback. I had a Waved Delica a while back and it never worked quite as I would have liked; having a P'Kal now, I think the difference in waves may bother me even more. I'm not a huge fan of the FRN, either, I am sad to say. I have been tempted by the Gen1 FFG Matriarch; though, the tip strength on those is purportedly poor, also.
 
Beautiful picture! That certainly enriches the thread. I've been tempted by that exact model many times, but I've not warmed up to the wave with a lockback. I had a Waved Delica a while back and it never worked quite as I would have liked; having a P'Kal now, I think the difference in waves may bother me even more. I'm not a huge fan of the FRN, either, I am sad to say. I have been tempted by the Gen1 FFG Matriarch; though, the tip strength on those is purportedly poor, also.
Thank you sir! I've got the Waved Delica too and you're right, it doesn't flick open as good as a larger blade; it takes more accurate technique. I'll agree with you too on the looks of the wave. It doesn't enhance the looks of the Matriarch at all but it sure does work well. I'm serious when I say, this one catches and opens much better than the delica. Maybe I should say, it takes less accurate technique. The delica opens great for me, I just have to consciously draw it backwards with gusto, where as I can't hardly pull the matriarch out of the pocket without it opening at least 3/4 of the way. Pull it at normal speed and it snaps open every time. My buddy has the civilian and while I like it, the tip is so fine; the way I use my knives, I'm pretty sure I'd break it.
 
Thank you sir! I've got the Waved Delica too and you're right, it doesn't flick open as good as a larger blade; it takes more accurate technique. I'll agree with you too on the looks of the wave. It doesn't enhance the looks of the Matriarch at all but it sure does work well. I'm serious when I say, this one catches and opens much better than the delica. Maybe I should say, it takes less accurate technique. The delica opens great for me, I just have to consciously draw it backwards with gusto, where as I can't hardly pull the matriarch out of the pocket without it opening at least 3/4 of the way. Pull it at normal speed and it snaps open every time. My buddy has the civilian and while I like it, the tip is so fine; the way I use my knives, I'm pretty sure I'd break it.

I really appreciate that. If the Matriarch waves more keenly, I may have to give one a try. Worst case, I can find some custom scales for it to solve the FRN component. There's always the Bladeforums solution, too, where I should just get both! :D (And likely will at some point.)
 
I really appreciate that. If the Matriarch waves more keenly, I may have to give one a try. Worst case, I can find some custom scales for it to solve the FRN component. There's always the Bladeforums solution, too, where I should just get both! :D (And likely will at some point.)

Now you're talking the forum language :)
 
Now you're talking the forum language :)

Indeed! I have become well-versed in it. I've also considered when picking up a Civilian taking the tip down a little bit to be more like the Matriarch. Or, if/when it does break a little bit, as the ones I've found to have done so usually just square off a little, I could just sharpen back to a slightly thicker point.
 
Indeed! I have become well-versed in it. I've also considered when picking up a Civilian taking the tip down a little bit to be more like the Matriarch. Or, if/when it does break a little bit, as the ones I've found to have done so usually just square off a little, I could just sharpen back to a slightly thicker point.

In your opinion, could this process be done using the Spyderco Sharpmaker Diamond Stones?
 
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