One or the other would swing more dollars those dealers way. When someone advocates to take more money out of my pocket I like to know who they are. It works that way for taxes as much as anything else. I can find out who signed or created the bill to raise my taxes. We were all pretty much just told that a 8.3% tax increase was placed on our favorite knife company. I want to know who pushed for it so I can " make an informed vote" with my wallet. That's absolutely fair. Like I said, if those dealers think that they're perfectly in the right for pressuring for the higher MAP then they'd come forward and tell us wouldn't they?
Wow. So Spyderco was on the verge of bankruptcy prior to instituting MAP a year ago.
What a joke.
There was a budget hole?There's definitely a joke in here somewhere...
One or the other would swing more dollars those dealers way. When someone advocates to take more money out of my pocket I like to know who they are. It works that way for taxes as much as anything else. I can find out who signed or created the bill to raise my taxes. We were all pretty much just told that a 8.3% tax increase was placed on our favorite knife company. I want to know who pushed for it so I can " make an informed vote" with my wallet. That's absolutely fair. Like I said, if those dealers think that they're perfectly in the right for pressuring for the higher MAP then they'd come forward and tell us wouldn't they?
It's all of them. They all want/need it.
Except Amazon. Mystery solved. You're welcome.
So they all pushed for a minumum price to be higher so they could all make more per sale without having competition. Do you not see how that could be perceived as price fixing? That is the issue. I love Spyderco, still do even with this, but to act like everything is above board here is not right.
One thing that I think is important to keep in mind when discussing MAP is that in situations like this we are much more end users than customers. Spyderco's direct customers are dealers.
They pushed for minimum pricing so that they would have a chance at being able to compete with online mega retailers.
Do you see how this could be perceived as understandable?
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Can a vendor or two chime in on there perspective weather they sell spyderco knives or not. Just as long as they have some perspective on this. Any one work(ed) at big box stores chime in? I'd love to hear more. Not trying to cause any castration or problems. But I do recall another thread where this was discussed in detail for something along these lines.
interesting read on the subject. thanks for linking/posting.An article from the initial implementation:
Spyderco MAP Prices: What Do Knife Dealers Think?
"Yesterday, Spyderco announced that it will start drawing the line on prices by enforcing Minimum Advertised Pricing (MAP) with retailers of its products. The measure would require retailers to sell Spyderco products for no less than 40% off its Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price (MSRP). The new policy takes effect starting in 2016.
The move is controversial and the reaction from Spyderco’s customers on the forums, and in social media has turned into a contentious debate between those who believe the new policy is a good thing for the knife community and others who don’t want to see any changes. But what do the people who must adhere to Spyderco’s new policy think?"
http://knifenews.com/can-spyderco-h...ealers-say-about-the-companys-new-map-policy/
The link is interesting but frankly all of the Knife reviews I read or watch come from independent sources so that actually has no value for me. The only thing dealers provide that I value is return policies and fast shipping.interesting read on the subject. thanks for linking/posting.
Without MAP pricing, huge mega-retailers (amazon, Walmart, etc) could afford to sell at much lower margins and smaller, specialized retailers couldn't remotely compete.
Without MAP, no one but Amazon sells knives. Simple as that. Sad, but true. MAP doesn't ensure that consumers will buy from smaller retailers, but it at least makes it possible for consumers to do so without a huge penalty.
Over the past two years since MAP was implemented I have regularly seen Amazon sell below MAP. I have seen prices below MAP on Walmart.com as well. I understand what you are saying but that is just how it is supposed to be working in theory. In practice it looks like MAP is giving Amazon more room to undercut the dealers. The rules only hurt the ones who follow them unless the big guys play by the rules too.