Spyderco Sharpmaker and Kitchen Knives

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I am thinking about purchasing a Spyderco Sharpmaker 204 based on recommendations of this forum (gee, thanks for spending MY money!!:rolleyes: ) I will use it to keep some Kershaw's in shape (Leek, Chive).

But, can it be used for my kitchen knives, which are a set of professional Henckels? I have used the sharpening "rod" that came with them, but the Sharpmaker seems like it would be a better option and easier.

BTW - Anybody know what kind of steel is used in the Henckels?

Thanks!!!
 
I had a Sharpmaker and used it on a small Henckels paring knife and a large 10" chefs knife. The problem with this setup, is that the thin kitchen knives tend to flex against the stone as you apply pressure and therefore makes forming the burr much more difficult. It took me about an hour of constant work to form a tiny burr on the paring knife. After that, the 204 seemed to work pretty well. I ended up selling the Sharpmaker and am saving up for an Edgepro Apex. I think it the long run it'll make sharpening both faster and more precise since you apply pressure to the knife with the stone rather than the other way around. I experienced some problems what I've heard echoed by other members about the 204. I could never get a pefect edge grind or get my knives super sharp acress the whole edge. I just wasn't consistent with it. I'm sure with practice you could be, but I'm just not that patient:)Hope that helps.
 
Originally posted by StressPuppy
BTW - Anybody know what kind of steel is used in the Henckels?

I've worked at a store that sells Henckels for a few years and have been trying to find the answer to that question for quite awhile. Apparently they want it to be a secret because on their website they just say "made from stainless special formula steel."
 
A v-rod setup is fine for touchups, you will need to go light to avoid burrs. For restoring damaged or heavily worn edges you will want some faster way of reprofiling. Henckels and such blades are 440A class steels, usually in the low fifties in RC.


-Cliff
 
I use my Sharpmaker to sharpen all of my knives. It can get a little tricky with the large knives though. It is also real slow going if you have neglected the edge for awhile and need to remove a fair amount of metal.

My parnets have a set of the cheaper Henkels that we use in the kitchen. What I do when the mood hits me(READ: when I am cooking;) ), is take all of them to my shop. I then set up my belt grinder with the finest most worn out belt I have and set the bevels. Then I finish the job with the Sharpmaker. Works real great for me. All you really need is something more abrasive then their coarse rods to remove metal if the knife is real bad(in my case been used on a plate instead of a cutting board, then washed with brillo:eek: !)
 
The sharpmaker will work fine for maintaining the edge on kitchen knives, but if the knives are very dull it will be slow the first time you sharpen. Most people don't use a soft cutting board in the kitchen the way that they should. Their kitchen knives get severely dull from cutting on ceramic plates, glass trays, and tile counter tops. Even though the blades are thin it takes a long time to restore the edge with a medium grit ceramic hone.

The usual "rod" that comes with a knife set is metal and is called a "steel". It only performs a minor maintenance function of straightening out slight edge folding and dents. If the only sharpening that you have done for an extended period of time is to steel your edges they are probably work-hardened (hard and brittle), a little ragged, and sort of rounded. You will have significant work to do the first time you sharpen them with a hone.

To do it with a standard sharpmaker kit: Select the coarsest rods (the brown, medium grit) and set them in the most nearly verticle set of slots (the 15-degree position) with the rods rotated so that the edges of the stones are inwards (rather than the flats). You start with 15 degrees because you need to thin the edges. It is optional whether you work on one side of the edge at a time or alternate. With the sharpmaker I usually alternate. Do about 20 strokes per side, rotate the stones 1/3 of a revolution and repeat 20 strokes per side on the next set of edges. Rotate another 1/3 turn and repeat with the third edge on each rod. Now for convenience repeat that process doing 20 strokes on each of the flats of the rods. You probably don't have a sharp edge yet. Scrub your rods with sink cleanser and water to remove steel residue clogging the surface. Repeat the above procedure until you get a basically sharp edge on the whole length of the blade. I would guess that thinning the edge might take around a half hour the first time you did it on an old knife (it could take an hour). If you bought the (expensive) diamond hones for your sharpmaker you would be done in about 1/4 the time.

I would use a different hone for thinning the edge on a knife. Kitchen knives are actually easier to sharpen than most other knives, but they are often a lot duller than our fancy toy knives when we start. For a kitchen knife I would get a cheap dual-grit (coarse grit on one side, medium-fine on the other side) aluminum oxide bench hone (it might be called a carborundum hone or India Stone). Aluminum oxide cuts fairly fast and cuts pretty smooth. It is a good choice for blades that are not ultra hard, like kitchen knives. When you are thinning an edge by hand the angle is not critical. Somewhere between 10 and 20 degrees should work. Use the coarse side of the hone for virtually all of your thinning. I sometimes use the edges of a bench hone for faster thinning. You will also want to periodically scrub your hone with sink cleanser. I often work by the sink an just run the hose under the tap (either continuously while I work or periodically to flush the hone).

Once you have your blade thinned, the sharpmaker will keep an excellent edge on the blade with minimum effort. I particularly like the cutting edge I get using the brown rods.
 
Jeff's advice is perfect!

I too recommend to people getting a sharpmaker that they also buy the alrgest coarsest hone they have the $$ for. As Jeff said, hold the andle between 10 and 20 degrees and scrub away on one side, then th eother for a bit, then the 1st side again until you get a burr, then scrub the opposite side again until you raise a burr. Then do a couple of alternate strokes just to lign up the burr. Switch to the sharpmaker to set the actual edge (which will remove the burr in the process as well). It won't take many strokes at all to get your edge! And it will be easy (fast too) to touch up the edge.

The brown Sharpmaker rods are great for slicing knives, and the white rods are good for push cutters (paring knives used in peeling, etc.)

Good Luck!
 
The Sharpmaker is not the best at sharpening knives that have gotten fairly dull. However, it's excellent for touchups. I sharpened some dull Henckels kitchen knives this past weekend. I ended up using a Gatco with diamond hones to put a decent edge on them, followed by a couple of minutes on the Sharpmaker to get them shaving-sharp.

Doug
 
Does anyone have the Sharpmaker but doesn't have a Spyderco knife? Do you feel guilty by not having one if you don't?
 
FANTASTIC ADVICE!!! Looks like I could be sharpening lots of stuff for a long time!!!

It seems that most agree that the Sharpmaker is best for keeping an edge. So I will be ok with the Leek and Chive since they are new, but the kitchen knives will take some work.

Some of the things that are mentioned I need to read more about as I am not well versed in the ART of sharpening knives (and it is an art from everything I know!)

As for J-man_the_jet's comment, you can probably figure that I will have the Spyderco Sharpmaker with no Spyderco knife. But if you have one to spare, you could help solve the problem for me!!!!! :D

I found a good price on all three of the above from New Graham Knives, and since they are here in VA, they should get here quick. Most have had good things to say, so hopefully I haven't missed any problems anyone might have had.

Thanks!!!
 
Originally posted by J-man_the_jet
Does anyone have the Sharpmaker but doesn't have a Spyderco knife? Do you feel guilty by not having one if you don't?

That would be me. Love the Sharpmaker, but I can't say that I really fancy their FRN-handled knives. However, the Chinook and the Temperance do have some appeal -- just haven't gotten around to purchasing one.

Doug
 
I got my sharpmaker long before I got my FRN VG10 Delica. The Sharpmaker on the recommendations here and the Delica on curiosity. My kitchen knives are 3 Chicago Cutlery and a Buck fillet knife. Buying the diamond rods makes sharpening the Chicago stuff alot faster and the movie with the Sharpmaker shows real well how to sharpen a flex blade.
guy
 
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